On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:46:16 +0100, Oliver Masters (oll@masterspiece.com) wrote:
> 
> Ouch! :) One unfortunate comment certainly seems to have annoyed a few
> people, I can only hope Mr Vost was just having a bad day, otherwise he has
> certainly taken a dive in my estimation.

If you read what Ben actually said, he wasn't implying that EVERYONE who
goes on IRC is an idiot, just that there are a lot of idiots that go on
IRC!  I guess it could have been misconstrued, but only if you wanted to
read it like that.  ;-)

Kev

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On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:34:17 +0100, Bert Volders wibbled...

>  Now for the Sony software, well it is available
> but at insane prices. So concluding: Amiga the way to go for me. Sony not an
> option as a replacement.

IF Sony think that they can go for a REALLY big market (i.e. not just
gamers) then they will try it; they'll reduce prices to compete with
PC's etc. There's no reason for price competition in the console market,
as all the manufacturers have very similar pricing.

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Hello Alan L.M. Buxey,
 your comments on [afb] Re: Gameboys have got me thinking
>On Fri, 26 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

>> Nintendo invented the D-pad, the rumble pack was the first time
>> a console had had force feedback as standard, and to top it off,
>> Nintendo started the damned analogue stick craze, which Sony seem
>> to be doing their damndest to copy...

>analogue sticks were around WAY before Nintendo started to use them on a
>console
> 

I had a very nice analoge joystick on my BBC model B. Playing Elite with the
Amiga joysyick was awful in comparison.

___________________________________________________
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Hello Alan L.M. Buxey,
 your comments on [afb] Re: MANAGE: Last chance for OS3.5 have got me thinking
>> into. until I see where my money would be going, DOpus Magellan looks like
>> a better buy."

>i could tend to agree with the latter sentiment - but only if you ahve
>os3.1 ROMs. running on <3.1 ROMs is goign to lead to headaches.

Why? I've been running various versions of Dopus including Magellan and now
Magellan II with no problems at all.


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Hello Eng. Ricardo Fitzgerald, on 25-Nov-99 14:44:46 you said about:
  [afb] Re: Amiga OS 3.5 Woes 

[snip]

>It's an EZ135 drive (SyQuest 135 Mb unformatted) SCSI external connected
>directly to Blizzard PPC SCSI port using a miniSCSI to parallel adapter, it
>has a terminator (light is ON), on the second (unused port) of the EZ135
>unit. So the SCSI chain is just the board and the SyQuest EZ135 unit ...
>This drive is working perfectly on my Mac.
>It's strange but the blizzard didn't install any devices at all ?!?!??!?!
>I've lost the manual but what I've noticed after carefully searching the
>installer floppy that it doesn't install anything in devs: ???!?!?!?

The device driver for the BlizzardPPC is held in its FlashROM, so
there's no need to install anything to DEVS. You just need to set the
prefs to "blizzppc.device" for it to work. Although, you need to make
sure everything's turned on before you boot for them to be recognised,
or you will have to use Phase5's "Unitcontrol" or similar to mount your
SCSI bit and pieces.

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On Sat Nov 27, Ben Vost was heard muttering:

> > But that benefits like 20 people, a txt file pointing the reader which
> > requested it to the right place would help the other several thousand 
 
> If you haven't asked for it, why do you need it? 

That's really is a bit of a pants argument, I'm afraid. If that's how
you feel, you could just remove everything from the CD and only put on
the reader requests. Seeing as no-one specifically asked for the other
600MB of stuff, we obviously don't need it.

> It might be something that was on a previous CD, or something so
> esoteric that you wouldn't know what to do with it...

Or it might not. In fact it's more likely others will benefit than
just the person who asked for it. Why should the one person who asks
for something out of ~11,000 be the only one who wants it?

> Ben Vost

Paul C, back home at last
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    but DISH WASHING LIQUID contains real lemons?

Hello All,

Is there any way to save the position that a picture is placed on the
WB screen.

I have tried using the cursor arrows to centralise the picture and
then arrainged the icons so that they dont obscure the best points
and then have snapshotted both window and all but when I re-boot it's
back to it's original position.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Kind regards,

P.C.

Sender: Alan L.M. Buxey
Subject: [afb] Re: Amiga to Apple, Mac?
Date:     Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:01:51 +0000 (GMT)

> 
> On 27 Nov 1999, Bruce wrote:
> 
> > printers, didn't work. Even the great Quark Express couldn't open
> > them. The disks opened up, the icons were there, but old quarky
> > couldn't decode them. Anone know why?
> 
> the Mac needs to know what type of files they are...there is a small
> commodity in the MacOS that allows this importing of foreign types.

Ta. Surely the printers should have known this? The extensions on the
files were .jpg and .eps. The eps was from Draw Studio and I set the
"convert text to curves" on. maybe that was the problem? Anyway
they're now doing 9,000 leaflets from a scan! Wish they could spend a
few hundred on an Amiga : )

-- 
Regards,

Bruce.

===================================================================
Amiga 1200, Apollo12030 accellerator, MMU, FPU, 8mb fast ram, ext
floppy drive, IOBlix 1200p parallel port, Mitsubishi 3.5 gb hard
drive, Hitachi 16x CD Rom drive, Pace 56k (v90) external modem, ADI
15" SVGA monitor, Power scandoubler/flickerfixer, Canon BJC620
printer, Mustek 600CP ScanExpress Scanner.
===================================================================

Hello Alex

On 23-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Just a thought: can we send in mods if we can garuntee that none of the
> samples have copyrights on them? Like if we've made them ourselves
> (inwhich case there would be copyright, but it'd be ours to do with as
> we wish) or we use Octamed's synth feature?

Also, other Future publications such as "The Mix" and "Future Music" give
away loads of samples that are copyright free. So whats stopping AF putting
music mods & MP3's that were made using these samples?

4-0

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Hello M.

On 22-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Not in your wildest dreams.

I've had some pretty WiLd dreams mind you.. ;-)

4-0

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Hello Mad

On 21-Nov-99, you wrote:

> As the Amiga version of wipeout2 is a conversion of the playstation
> version, would it be possible to have a multiplayer link game by
> modifying a playstation link cable.

Does the Amiga version have a link up option for net play?
L8rs

4-0

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Hello Alex

On 20-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Hi Alan
> 
>>> He was standing, right?  One of my friends is quite insistent he was
>>> hanging...
>> 
>> he was standing...which matches the tale told of the hermit killer.
> 
> Tis what I thought.  Cheers.

Whichever it was, the film was completely un-scary... If anything, it
reminded me of watching an episode of Jerry Springer.. When the exciting
stuff happens, the camera shakes all over the place and you see nothing,
nothing AT ALL. 
Cya

4-0

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<sb>

Hiya all

I'm having a problem with TVpaint's Arexx feature.. Quite simply, it don't
work. Rexxmast is started in my user-startup, and nothing to do with TVpaint
has been deleted. It just stopped working. :-\
Cheers

4-0

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Hello Paul

On 13-Nov-99, you wrote:

> This all sounds a bit familiar :/

Damn right :-(

> I'll tell you what I did, but I can't promise it won't make things
> worse.
> 
> 1) Boot with the paritition disabled, and set up disksalv ready
> for use (on a floppy?)
> 2) Reboot, with no startup-sequence, so all it is doing is validating.
> 3) You have 5 minutes to run disksalv, and start it going, probably on
> "validate" and make sure the menu is set to lock the system (or
> something, can't remember exactly), so that DOS stops trying to
> validate it. Now wait!
> 4) If you're lucky, disksalv will sort it out and when you reboot the
> partition will be (sort of) okay.
> 5) This didn't work on its own for me. I had to keep trying /loads/ of
> different options in disksalv ie. validate, repair, repair, validate,
> repair, validate etc etc. Eventually it reached a state where it no
> longer tried to validate, but there were errors. I just copied what I
> could onto floppies.

What I did was to boot from the os3.0 floppies and do a "Quick Forman" on
the affected. This stops the os tring to revalidate it. Then use something
like Quarterback or Disksalv to recover any files to another Volume,
providing you've hot one of sufficiant size. Remember, do NOT perform a full
format as you won't be able to recover any files. When all files are
recovered, you can then do a full format and then copy all your saved files
back.

I used this method when my 4000 had your problem, and I found it to be a lot
quicker than revalidating the 2Gb partition.

>> F*CKING SYNDICATE!
> 
> Shouldn't that be "F*cking Skidmarks"?  ;)

Yup, skidmarks fault here too :-[]     Damn Aussies, criminals the lot of
'em ;-)
L8rs

4-0

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Hello Jonathan

On 14-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Perhaps because they`re trying to improve your spelling ;-)

Cheek :-=FE

> You`ve probably had to explain many times before, but......4-0 ?

Yes I have had to explain it a lot, and no I won't tell you..  I'll let y=
ou
try and guess :-)
Although a few people know...
L8rs

4-0

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Hi People,
  Does  anyone know if that there is a UK registration address ?

    Bomber Harris

Andrew Crowe wrote:

>> Been lurking around a bit but now I need help:) I need to put a jpeg
>> and an EPS postscript file on a floppy to go to an applemac. I
>> formatted a floppy as PCO:, copied the files to it, took it to the
>> printers, didn't work. Even the great Quark Express couldn't open
>> them. The disks opened up, the icons were there, but old quarky
>> couldn't decode them. Anone know why?
>
>    You did give them the right file extention right? .jpg and .eps ?
>
> Like PC's, Apples refuse to load a file that isn't set as whatever, on
> apple disks this is set in the 'resource fork' but when loading from PC
> disks it relys on the PC 3 chr file extention.
>
> Also, make sure the ms-dos file extentions are set propperly. I can't
> remember how though

Hmm. That's not strictly accurate. The only reason Macs care about the DOS
file extensions is to make the files open an application when
double-clicked. These can be mapped in the "File Exchange" control panel. It
shouldn't refuse to load them if the data format is correct.

Quark can be a bit thick when it comes to opening files of any type in my
experience - even its own!

One way around the problem with bitmap files is to try opening them in
Photoshop or, even better, a piece of shareware called Graphic Converter.
This is a bit of a miracle worker, opening every file type you could ever
need, and quite a few you probably won't!  :)

Failing both of those methods, try File Buddy (was shareware, now
commercial), which lets you diddle with the file type and creator codes,
thereby forcing the Mac to believe anything you tell it (well, almost).  ;)

Failing all that Bruce, mail 'em to me privately, and I'll see if I can make
them Mac-friendly (as long as they're not HUGE).

Regards,
Jonny.

--
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On 26-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> Which is why you now olny run web pages for 1 month rather than 3, to
>> make your job harder.....Someone's lying! And I'm sure a mod or 2 of
>> Tony'd as an audiotrack would soon wipe off 100-odd meg from the total.

> sigh... we run web pages for one issue rather than three because people
> complain that we have repeated stuff on our CDs, you can roughly check how

But now everyone is just gonna have a phone/postage bill 3 times as big so
they send it in more often...no?

> title bar) from 645 to see how many megs they took up. I can assure you
> it's not 100M. Besides which, we can't win with you lot - either we get

Umm, a 5 minute audiotrack is like 30-40 megs right? 2 of Tony's symphonies
and thats 100 meg! :) not complaining, just say I'm not too bothered. In
fact I'd prefer more audio tracks, I never get the time to use a fraction
of the utils on the cd

> accused of filling space with tunes, or you want them to be bigger...

bigger spaces! ;)

>> But that benefits like 20 people, a txt file pointing the reader which
>> requested it to the right place would help the other several thousand 

> If you haven't asked for it, why do you need it? It might be something
> that was on a previous CD, or something so esoteric that you wouldn't know
> what to do with it...

So if someone asked for it, no-one else is allowed to need it now?... eg.
AFCD47 in the reader requests I'd use SFS and the rexx guides

Mash - 
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Hi Alan
Somewhere around 26-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: 0S3.5

>> Aside from the fact that said 'other' MUI thing crashes like
>> wildfire and doesn't fill out system structures correctly?

Are we talking wildfire as in the program or the amout?

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On 26-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> & Tableplug thing on the front of the CD. I see that and think, "oh,

> Oh yeah, and the cover of the CD.

:P ne day you'll get eaten by the sarky monster.....

> We still have exclusives on our CD, but before AmiGactive came along who
> was there to be exclusive against? 

Thats besides the point! ;)

> You say you don't want the reader requests drawer, but then you go and say
> that you want a separate drawer for good stuff?

I didn't mean /that/ bit..., just to drop the reader requests drawer and
whack a txt file in there somewhere

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On 26-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> each time a CD features some full versin of a program...all the
> competitors to such software really do feel the pinch financially..as
> not many people buy their current, still developed , project.

According to who? It was the AF and CU disks which made me splash out on
Imagine. If it wasn't for them, Id never have known about it. Same goes for
a demo, if it shut down after half an hour, wouldn't let me save etc then I
doubt I'd have been bothered to keep trying to use it

> the mags came to an agreement not to put full games on CD's
> anymore as it affected sales of other games...so why wasnt this done for
> applications too?

Because when you're playing a game you don't think to yourself "hmmm, I
really need a game which has thism certain feature, or ca run 10% smoother"
Whereas if they put ww5 on the disk, people would think "I really need the
text flow tool, or spellcheck as you type function"

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Hello Stephen

On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:

Paul Jewell 
48 Park Avenue
Porthcawl
CF36 3ER

See Ya

Wezza

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:51:54 +0000, Wesley Potter (wezza@currantbun.com) wrote:
> Hello Stephen
> 
> On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:
> 
> Paul Jewell 

i'm not sure if he is actually still doing registrations!!

Kev

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4-0 wrote:

> Whichever it was, the film was completely un-scary... If anything, it
> reminded me of watching an episode of Jerry Springer.. When the exciting
> stuff happens, the camera shakes all over the place and you see nothing,
> nothing AT ALL.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.  :)

I seem to remember when "Jaws" was released, we had tales of "grown men
being physically sick". That'll be grown men with over-active imaginations
and weak stomachs then...  :D

Regards,
Jonny (ignoring the hype).

--
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you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

4-0 wrote:

> Also, other Future publications such as "The Mix" and "Future Music" give
> away loads of samples that are copyright free. So whats stopping AF putting
> music mods & MP3's that were made using these samples?

I know diddly-sqaut about mods and samples etc., but wouldn't it be a bitch
of a job to check every one?

Regards,
Jonny.
--
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Bruce wrote:

> Ta. Surely the printers should have known this? The extensions on the
> files were .jpg and .eps. The eps was from Draw Studio and I set the
> "convert text to curves" on. maybe that was the problem? Anyway
> they're now doing 9,000 leaflets from a scan! Wish they could spend a
> few hundred on an Amiga : )

Printers quite often can't be bothered with anything that doesn't open
straight into Quark. Further to my previous post, Illustrator will open Draw
Studio .eps files. In fact, Illustrator will open any file on the Amiga, if
you use the postcript printer driver and print to file.

"Convert to curves" was, in fact, the right thing to do. If you didn't, the
Mac software would throw up a "font not found" dialogue of some description
(varies from package to package) and you would have to substitute them all.

I imagine that, if you shop around, you would eventually find a printer who
knew what the feck they were doing with anything other than Quark Xcuse
(sorry) Xpress. That could be tricky though.

If I can help in future, let me know.

Regards,
Jonny.
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time you need them, chances are you won't be needing them again.

Hello Kevin and Steven,

On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:
:
>> Hello Stephen
>> =

>> On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:
>> =

>> Paul Jewell =

> =

> i'm not sure if he is actually still doing registrations!!
> =


No he's not.  I sent a check to him, it was never cashed and no keyfile.

If you have a credit card go to their website and register online (dont w=
orry - its perectly safe!) and you will get the keyfile asap via email.

their site is: http://www.sasg.com/


Regards
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(Sam Byford)
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    or IRCNet #Pub (as The_Kook)

Anyone with info on hisoft's shine surfer modem v90 56kflex...settings
etc.
Damn thing is made in vietnam and doesn't come with instructions.

Hi Bomber,


> Hi People,
>   Does  anyone know if that there is a UK registration address ?
> 

Do not know of an UK address but I have recently registered through
their Web
site with no problems.

See Ya

Alex Paton  

Hi Everybody,

>> Hey, it'll be better then a PC won't it?  :)
> =

> Yes, it won't. No matter how silly and non-working PCs are, the amount =
of
> software (though being total shit most of the time) is huge. Many title=
s
> don't break the bank either. Now for the Sony software, well it is avai=
lable
> but at insane prices.

   You're forgeting: With internet access comes free software. All it'd n=
eed is a decent developement system and some shareware authors and it'd b=
e no problem. =


Also, maybe there'll be a PC emulator for it? you never know....

> So concluding:
> Amiga the way to go for me. Sony not an
> option as a replacement.

   But if Amiga really does die (heaven forbid!) then me might all need a=
nother option....? =


See ya :)
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       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
          http://mantasoft.aio.co.uk/       ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
"Bother," said Pooh, as the drugs squad bust his door down.

Hi Everybody,

> Is there any way to save the position that a picture is placed on the
> WB screen.
> =

> I have tried using the cursor arrows to centralise the picture and
> then arrainged the icons so that they dont obscure the best points
> and then have snapshotted both window and all but when I re-boot it's
> back to it's original position.

   That's weird, how do you move the wb backdrop around?  Mine is always =
from the top left corner.

I suggest the only way to fix it is to go into a gfx program and cut the =
visible section you want out, then use that as the backdrop.

See ya :)
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
          http://mantasoft.aio.co.uk/       ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
"Bother," said Pooh, as the Blade Runner caught up with him.

Yes its true, 100MHz 68040 for around 150 pounds. They do a 80MHz 040 tha=
ts
a bit cheaper.

Check this through www.amiga.org and follow link, or go to

http://www.sonnettech.com/products/quaddoubler.html

This company also do 66MHz 030's.

They have a full price list in dollars.

How about grabbing one Ben and tell us all about it?

Regards,

Mike Q

Greetings  Samuel 

On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Hello Kevin and Steven,

> On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:
> :
>>> Hello Stephen
>>> 
>>> On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Paul Jewell 
>> 
>> i'm not sure if he is actually still doing registrations!!
>> 

> No he's not. I sent a check to him, it was never cashed and no
> keyfile.

That's because uk banks don't accept black and white squares.


Regards

Andy
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pick himself up and carry on...
-- Winston Churchill

Greetings  Bruce 

On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Sender: Alan L.M. Buxey
> Subject: [afb] Re: Amiga to Apple, Mac?
> Date:     Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:01:51 +0000 (GMT)


>> On 27 Nov 1999, Bruce wrote:

>>> printers, didn't work. Even the great Quark Express couldn't open
>>> them. The disks opened up, the icons were there, but old quarky
>>> couldn't decode them. Anone know why?

>> the Mac needs to know what type of files they are...there is a
>> small commodity in the MacOS that allows this importing of foreign
>> types.

> Ta. Surely the printers should have known this? The extensions on
> the files were .jpg and .eps. The eps was from Draw Studio and I set
> the "convert text to curves" on. maybe that was the problem? Anyway
> they're now doing 9,000 leaflets from a scan! Wish they could spend
> a few hundred on an Amiga : )

I suggest you find another printers, as this one seems not to have
much of a clue. I recieve artwork (eps, jpeg, tif whatever) created
and on pc formated media at work, and have no trouble using it on my Mac. 
The only problems i get are when dumb arses send me artwork in proprietry 
formats from packages that I've never heard of! :/

Regards

Andy
-- 
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Imagine textures and a few pictures@<http://esox.cjb.net>
/PGP Key available on request/

I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to
make it shorter.
-- Blaise Pascal

Greetings  Mike 

On 28-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Yes its true, 100MHz 68040 for around 150 pounds. They do a 80MHz
> 040 thats a bit cheaper.

Are they really 100Mhz, or are they quoting the oscillator speed?
040's use an oscillor that's twice the actual CPU speed. i.e a 50Mhz
040 would need a 100Mhz oscillator. . .

>
> Regards,

> Mike Q







Regards

Andy
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us as equals.
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Either  way, 50mhz or 100mhz, it would speed up my 3640 equiped
3000. The question for me is, does it work and does it fit?
For 200$ it sure looks tempting. If anybody has knowledge about
the Quad Doubler lemme know.

Thanks,

Mark


andy kinsella <andy.k-@ukonline.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=38313
> Greetings  Mike 
> 
> On 28-Nov-99, you wrote:
> 
> > Yes its true, 100MHz 68040 for around 150 pounds. They do a 80MHz
> > 040 thats a bit cheaper.
> 
> Are they really 100Mhz, or are they quoting the oscillator speed?
> 040's use an oscillor that's twice the actual CPU speed. i.e a 50Mhz
> 040 would need a 100Mhz oscillator. . .
> 
> >
> > Regards,
> 
> > Mike Q
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Andy
> -- 
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> 
> I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat
> us as equals.
> -- Winston Churchill
> 

Hi all.

Does anyone know if the Castlewood SCSI ORB drive's will work on an A1200 as
easily as Iomega's ZIP or JAZ drives. 

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Hi all,

Is it me, or is the sound feature of any of the MAME ports (amiga
only) very poor. I've tried paula and AHI, both normal AHI and
retargetted through a Prelude soundcard, and at most all I get is some
very poor noisy sounds - either that or it just doesnt work at all.

The only other thing is certain roms that dont work when they should,
but that has to be down to the port, since they work on the PC version
(pang for example doenst work here, but does on the PC)

The PC/Mac ports have perfect sound, so is it an Amiga specific
problem? (I'm using MAME PPC ver 36b8)

Regards,
Steven.

> didn't really matter any more (and half the companies had fallen out
> with them anyway).
> 
> Because the application software industry has no equivalent body no
> pressure was put on magazines to do similar to serious applications.
> 

I always liked AmigaPower...toward the end of its life it got even more
bizarre too....Does anyone remember that advert on the back of the mag
for a Fish drink which did'nt exist (would'nt if be funny if AmigaFormat
went down that road when no-one wants to advertise in them anymore!)

Michael

It's starting to sound more like a computer then a console.. Which reminds
me of a certain other type of computer, about 14 years ago.

I won't buy one....I don't want Sony cleaning up from someone elses
idea...anyway did'nt Sony
make their own version of Linux for the PSX2?....great!

If I remember correctly, this is how Amiga took of, as a games machine, but
it actually turned out to be quite a vercatile system.

Yes, but this is Sony...when the Amiga first turned out it was
powerful....which reminds me a little, when the cd32 came
out it had a standard 2x CDROM, 2MB Chip, large expansion bus this was in
1993/4...when Sony did it they had
a 2x CDROM (very slow then!), 3MB (1MB Buffer/video I think!, 2MB normal
RAM), no real expansion possiblitys that
was around a year after the CD32 too!

Maybe this'll happen to the PSX2? If no decent new amiga machines come out,
and the Psx2 doesn't have stupid WindowsCE on it, maybe we should keep an
eye on it?

Sony are more money hungry than Commodore were!!...this scares me alot!

Hey, it'll be better then a PC won't it?  :)

Probley not for long though!

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Are they the people who did Liamatron and stuff....with Jeff 'Liama' Minter

Michael

> Can a home-made board be made? Just an idea.

   Funny you should say that, because on aminet there's a doc that shows you
exactly how to make a black and white video capture card, and software to
use it :)   (Can't remember what its called though)

I have a document on how to make a colour digister!....email me privately
for a copy of it and I will dig it out!...
I don't think people will be happy to download a copy!...I cannot remember
where I got it, I think it was a German
Amiga support site!

Michael

Hello all,

I think it was on this list that someone complained that my sig was too big
and needed to have -- put in....Can someone check and alter my sig if
wrong, please....thanks in advance

Michael

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kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext floppys, Z2
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Hello all,

just been to this site...very interesting!!!..

Anyway I will get to the point...I am wondering would I beable to use the
Allegro SE (look at their site for more info!) for the old Mac SE and use it
on my A500....though I am unsure whether the old Mac SE uses a square
68000 socket or a rectangular one (knowing Apple they are probley using
a upgrade slot instead!!)...though having a 68030 in a A500 would be a nice
upgrade and I would then beable to run 0S3.5 on my A500...nice!!

I did service Macs at my old job, but I have never taken appart a Mac
SE...you
need a long screwdriver for a start (40Cms long ruffly!!!)..

Michael

Hi Everybody,

> If I remember correctly, this is how Amiga took of, as a games machine,=
 but
> it actually turned out to be quite a vercatile system.
> =

> Yes, but this is Sony...when the Amiga first turned out it was
> powerful....which reminds me a little, when the cd32 came
> out it had a standard 2x CDROM, 2MB Chip, large expansion bus this was =
in
> 1993/4...when Sony did it they had
> a 2x CDROM (very slow then!), 3MB (1MB Buffer/video I think!, 2MB norma=
l
> RAM), no real expansion possiblitys that
> was around a year after the CD32 too!

   You are forgetting that the PSX has some 3D processors as well. That's=
 kinda more advanced then a CD32.

   Also, PSX has the parallel expansion port on the back doesn't it? You =
can have all sorts of stuff on it (Even mpeg CD decoders)

> Maybe this'll happen to the PSX2? If no decent new amiga machines come =
out,
> and the Psx2 doesn't have stupid WindowsCE on it, maybe we should keep =
an
> eye on it?
> =

> Sony are more money hungry than Commodore were!!...this scares me alot!=


   Well, at least they probably won't go bust :)

> Hey, it'll be better then a PC won't it?  :)
> =

> Probley not for long though!

   As I said, if it doesn't have windows, I'm ok with it :)

See ya :)
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On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 03:28:56 -0000, Michael wibbled...

> I always liked AmigaPower...toward the end of its life it got even more
> bizarre too....Does anyone remember that advert on the back of the mag
> for a Fish drink which did'nt exist 

F-Max - The lightly sparkling fish drink? It did exist actually. Well,
according to AP2 anyway; it's available from some health shops 
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On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Bert Volders wrote:

> Yes, it won't. No matter how silly and non-working PCs are, the amount of
> software (though being total shit most of the time) is huge. Many titles
> don't break the bank either. Now for the Sony software, well it is available
> but at insane prices. So concluding: Amiga the way to go for me. Sony not an

insane prices? 5 ukp -> 20 ukp for almost all the software titles....you
cant expect much cheaper ;-)

alan

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Mike Quinlan wrote:

> Yes its true, 100MHz 68040 for around 150 pounds. They do a 80MHz 040 thats
> a bit cheaper.

welcome to beyond last weeks news..nice to know you know where the web
news sites are now though ;-)
 
> How about grabbing one Ben and tell us all about it?

the 100MHz 040 is a fine solution for the 040 A3k/A4k CPU card

alan 

Hey Andrew

On 27-nov-99, you wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
> 
>>> Hey, it'll be better then a PC won't it?  :)

> 
>   You're forgeting: With internet access comes free software. All it'd need
> is a decent developement system and some shareware authors and it'd be no
> problem.
>
If it runs its own OS, which it should 'cause otherwise it would just be
another M$-Wonderbox, there is a lot more they have to offer. Just naming a
few: DTP software, DT-video, paint-packages, music-aplications, and so on...
So they really have to do a very good job. And don't forget they'll have to
compete with the likes of M$-Windoze and Linux. The latter does already offer
a lot in terms of low-budget software (not free since you still need to
download them). 
 
> Also, maybe there'll be a PC emulator for it? you never know....
> 
Well, than you also could by a PC and run Amiga Forever.... But said that, a
PC is not really a good choice.

> 
>   But if Amiga really does die (heaven forbid!) then me might all need
> another option....?

That's no good thinking ;o). I have to admit that, in my opinion, Amiga is
doing a damn good job at killing the Amiga. But as long there is electrical
current, spare Amiga's to act as part-donors and soldering irons I will keep
on using the Amiga. As far as I can see it I'll never buy some WIntel machine
[maybe an a LinuxAMD or an Apple].
> 
> See ya :)
Regards
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On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Andy Kinsella wrote:

> Are they really 100Mhz, or are they quoting the oscillator speed?
> 040's use an oscillor that's twice the actual CPU speed. i.e a 50Mhz
> 040 would need a 100Mhz oscillator. . .

well, it doubles the speed of the Quadra - which was a 25MHz 040 - so I
guess they are quoting the external oscillator driver

alan

On 26-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> sure a few of them PC Pro advertisers would make a fair bit with their
>> rock bottom prices in Af and it might even kick powerc and eyetech into
>> line with theirs.

> They're scared of doing it because they may have to give tech support...

AmiUser: "hello, bargain micros?"
BargainMicros: "Yes, how may we help?"
AU: "Uhh, that accelerator you sold me wont work"
BM: "Have you plugged it in?"
AU: "aaahhh, right, that'll be it, thanks"

There, typical helpline conversation, really not much to installing amiga
hardware! ;)

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On 26-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> I thought everyone here hated pre-orders? And what, as I suspect, we only

Yeah, well, preorders or nout. How about including it in the next survey,
or...... a poll!!!!

> get about 100 orders? No-one manufacturer is going to do a run of a
> hundred items of any description for anyone...

Gimme the card, cash and hinges and its a deal

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On 26-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> no! no more b******rg pre-orders!!

> alan

b******rg    ........? bluuuuurg?

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On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 stew@sat.net wrote:

> 
> Either  way, 50mhz or 100mhz, it would speed up my 3640 equiped
> 3000. The question for me is, does it work and does it fit?

according to several reports, it does work fine - which is why the
article appeared on amiga.org

alan

On 26-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> Why was this not mentioned in the 3.5 review!?

> Because the option to turn it on wasn't properly available at the time (it
> only worked for gfx cards).

So what stuff can use the fastram rather than the rare chip stuff? is it
just like icons and menus, or are we talking lots here?

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On 25-Nov-99, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:

> They'd better, or there will be trouble. Legally I am entitled to my money
> back now anyway, as they missed the 60 day deadline. It's not my fault if
> they had "problems" is it? I wonder if I'd be entitled to interest on the
> money paid ... ;-)

Indeed you are

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Hi M.
Somewhere around 26-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Gameboys

> Nintendo invented the D-pad, 

pah!, I've seen much older machines with them

> the rumble pack was the first time
> a console had had force feedback as standard, 

but, a) it isn't forcefeedback, it just buzzes and eats batteries
       b) it isn't as standard, you have to buy it as an addon

> and to top it off,
> Nintendo started the damned analogue stick craze, which Sony seem
> to be doing their damndest to copy...

the sony anologue pads were released before the n64 was even out, they just
didn't ship them as standard with the uk or usa version, they kept them in
japan for a while

> It's one thing being the top selling console in the world, but
> if you plow all your money into marketting, where is all the
> innovation coming from?

They advertised just as much as each other, the better machine won, Nintendo
screwed up by thinking they didn't need sony (the psx was supposed to be a
cd addon for the SNES)

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Hi M.
Somewhere around 26-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Gameboys

> Nintendo started the analogue stick craze. They did, and I can prove
> it. Name me one console (NOT made by Atari in the early 80s) that
> has an analogue stick as standard and had it BEFORE the N64 came
> along.

Dont be a moron. Why should we discount the atari? That was one while proves
you wrong. You can't just dismiss it because its the best proof.

Name a computer which had a HELP key on it before the amiga? (excluding all
computers which had a help key on them before the amiga was made of course)

> still came up with a shitty game. and Sega just put a new case on an
> N64 controller.

I agree the DC contoller is dibolical (not in a good way) its awful

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On 26-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> So you tell me now, which console there was that had an analogue
>> stick as standard.

> Mattell Intellivision and Colecovision Adam.

yeah!!!, mwahahahaha. Sealey just got cussed by pong, ahahahahahahaha
ROTFLMAO

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Hi M.
Somewhere around 26-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Gameboys

>> Mattell Intellivision and Colecovision Adam.

> They don't count. Seriously, think of a modern one. I can, but
> you'd never guess it I don't think.

Oh, so let me get this right. 100 years time, Motorola are making game
consoles and they include an anologue stick on the controller, now just
because the N64 was made ages ago it doesn't count?

I was the first person to ever be born, excluding all those born before me,
but they don't count cos they're so old.

Some people have doouble standards, but Matt has somehoe managed to get
triple standards

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Hi M.
Somewhere around 26-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Gameboys

> Not very well. It just moves digital directions to the analogue stick.
> Pushing left makes Croc spin on the spot. That's crap.

so because they used the turning method, itmeans its not really digital. And
I suppose all those racing games which use the stick aren't really anologue
because they have turn aswell?

> Nintendo put an analogue stick on their console. Sega, Sony,
> everybody else COPIES.

Sony had an anologue stick at launch, they launched months before N. Face
it, you're an idiot in a losing battle

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On 26-Nov-99, Andy Mills wrote:

> Actually, it needs to be "dash dash space", not just "dash dash" to work
> properly...

Ah yes, 'twas the same problem on another list, where the server whooped off
the space, so no sig cutting happened

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On 26-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

>> 3) its not over heating (3 concorde engines blowing air through a server
>> case)

> concorde engine would blow very HOT air through a case ;-)

Not in my dimension

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On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Chris Faircloth wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> Does anyone know if the Castlewood SCSI ORB drive's will work on an A1200 as
> easily as Iomega's ZIP or JAZ drives. 

according to AA, yes, it does work - but its slower than the ATAPI ZIP
drive (but that could be fixed by using something like PFS3 on it)

alan

Hey Alan

On 28-nov-99, you wrote:

> 
> On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Bert Volders wrote:
> 
> insane prices? 5 ukp -> 20 ukp for almost all the software titles....you
> cant expect much cheaper ;-)
> 
How about atleast 50 Euro over here in the netherlands? And thats for the
budget titles. (50 Euro comes close to 33 ukp).

> alan
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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On 27 Nov 1999, Carl Berry wrote:

> "Hang on" I thought "I didn't do any of those", so a swift check of
> DEVS: showed that I didn't have "Amiga ROM update" in there.  Ok I
> thought I'll look in storage:  Nope not there either.  I did a Find
> rountine on my workbench partition to find I didn't have the said file
> anywhere on my hard drive.   Ok, time to check the CD.  Looked in the
> Workbench directory, not there.  Find on entire OS3.5 CD, there it is
> in "emergency  boot" directory".  So I happily copy it across to DEVS:
> and reboot.

its in the devs directory of OS3.5 on the OS3.5 install CD
 
> Then everyone was quiet and Mr. Monitor had a very black face.  
> 
> So my question is this.  Given that I only found out about this from
> posts and the manual on the CD that said remove this file if your IDE
> drive doesn't work and that I had to dig out my WB3.0 disk and
> squirrel master disk so I could mount the drive manually and remove
> the file from DEVS: 
> 
> WHAT IN GOD'S NAME POSSESSED ME TO WASTE NEARLY AN HOUR OF MY LIFE
> TO DO THIS ????

;-) you CAN have that file in devs: in fact, i insist on it! but you
*do* have to add an extra command to your setpatch command

setpatch skipromupdates "scsi.device"
 
you'll then get all the benefits of ROM patches - but wont interfere
with your scsi, idefix etc etc

alan

On 27 Nov 1999, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:

> I'm sure I didn't see Matt Sealey and Alan Buxley in any of them.  Oh, and
> they're the top two posters ...

? i emailed my little snippet to Claire.
 
alan

On 26 Nov 1999, Phil Ellis wrote:

> >i could tend to agree with the latter sentiment - but only if you ahve
> >os3.1 ROMs. running on <3.1 ROMs is goign to lead to headaches.
> 
> Why? I've been running various versions of Dopus including Magellan and now
> Magellan II with no problems at all.

because thre are bugs in OS3.0 which will eventually rear their ugly
heads...one advantage of upgrading to os3.5 is you get the os3.1 roms -
worth the money in the first place! (especially since my os3.1 upgrade
cost me 100 ukp!) - and if you're serious about your Amiga, you'll have
a gfx cards..and without 3.1 ROMS, gfx cards are hell let loose on your
computing life!

alan

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, 4-0 wrote:

> Whichever it was, the film was completely un-scary... If anything, it
> reminded me of watching an episode of Jerry Springer.. When the exciting
> stuff happens, the camera shakes all over the place and you see nothing,
> nothing AT ALL. 

ah! you didnt see! :-)

I saw it in the US and wasnt subjected to any of the hype (thankfully! -
it was old in the tooth stateside when i saw it, so no articles in the
mags, papers etc) . if you get a month or two of hype, you expect too
much........

alan

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> On 26-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> 
> > each time a CD features some full versin of a program...all the
> > competitors to such software really do feel the pinch financially..as
> > not many people buy their current, still developed , project.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> According to who? It was the AF and CU disks which made me splash out on
> Imagine. If it wasn't for them, Id never have known about it. Same goes for
> a demo, if it shut down after half an hour, wouldn't let me save etc then I
> doubt I'd have been bothered to keep trying to use it

I also bought Imagine after a coverdisk 'freebie'. but as i said, not
many people do. if they did, then you'd see these apps selling over
10,000 copies after being on a coverdisk

alan

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:

> I seem to remember when "Jaws" was released, we had tales of "grown men
> being physically sick". That'll be grown men with over-active imaginations
> and weak stomachs then...  :D

..when Jaws came out it was almost unique..nothing like it had been done
before. now, its old hat and almost laugh-a-minute action, we've all
been desensitised

alan

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:

> 4-0 wrote:
> 
> > Also, other Future publications such as "The Mix" and "Future Music" give
> > away loads of samples that are copyright free. So whats stopping AF putting
> > music mods & MP3's that were made using these samples?
> 
> I know diddly-sqaut about mods and samples etc., but wouldn't it be a bitch
> of a job to check every one?

not if the mods could only contain the samples that were on the
coverdisk previously (i like the idea of that competition!)

alan

> Hello Stephen
> 
> On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:
Mui registration
 
> Paul Jewell 
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> 
> See Ya
> 
> Wezza
Thanks Wezza

My point is not whether they were 'always an option'. My point is
that Nintendo had the balls to do it first, something which both
Sega and Nintendo have yet to do. I very very much doubt anyone
would be using analogue pads with their consoles now if Nintendo
hadn't have paved the way. We'd all be using D-pads, and PC owners
would be laughing their asses off because they'd have the analogue
sticks, and Quake, and a decent 3D platformer.

M> How can it be Sega and Nintendo, surely it should be Sega and Sony?

That's what they tell you. What really happened is that Nintendo just
charge extortionate fees to manufacture carts. The N64 is piss easy
to program for, VERY much more so than the Playstation, it just costs
three times as much in the long run (essential SGI workstation, huge
licensing costs)

M> I would say the playstation is easier to program....development kits
available...
M> With Nintendo you have to prove yourself first!!...they don't tell you
anything
M> unless you tell them what you are doing first!!!...N64 carts are
expensive...

M> Nintendo want to lower prices but you cannot lover them much more with
Nintendo losing
M> money!!...why do you think they have moved to DVD....though I think they
M> were scared of piracy (DVD can be copied alot easier that cartridges
can!!)

cartridges...the speed of game loading is the only advantage of
the N64 N64 games look better because everything has been
antialiased to bu***ry..the resolution of the N64 is very low.

M> Only on games made for a 4MB N64...Zelda in 8MB looks lovely!!.

M> Cartridges are very hard to break/damage compared to CD/DVD...

It's the same as the Playstation's - in fact it's better because
it's got a deeper colour depth as standard (can use 21bit at the
same speed as the PSX manages dither-fest 15bit)

M> Come on....the playstation has a really low res...have you seen Civ 2 and
M> C&C on the platstation?...the N64 can do high res...I have seen demos
M> for it though the cart converter system....quite high res...you need a
good
M> monitor for (TV cannot do high res properly not without bluring it like
crazzzy!!)

this is why the N64 is easier to emulate than the PSX. THIS is
a measure of how 'technilogically advanced' a console is.

M> They are both easily to emulate...Nintendo will tell you how to emulate
(well
M> are more willing to that Sony!!). Nintendo know some people won't
M> buy a N64 but will buy games...Sony don't like to lose their edge...if
they can
M> charge you 99 they will...Sony were really pissed when the found out
that the
M> standard PXs could be chipped!!...they were even more pissed with Bleem
M> they got it banded from E3 did'nt they!!

M> The N64 is alot faster and more powerful than the PSX...MIPs processor
M> capable of around 125 MIPS....4MB standard upgradable to 8MB (the
M> playstation only has 3MB...The N64 can have a CDR attached to the bottom
(
M> the playstation can have a serial linkup)...The N64 can do high res and
fast 3D
M> stuff (I don't have spec for this though)

> > CDs have ANYTHING over cartridges more than storage space,
> > you're sadly mistaken. DVDs on the other hand..
>
> ...yes, finally Nintendo have realised..they'll probably never
> get Squaresoft back into their niche stable though

M> CDs suck....there only advange I can see is that they are cheap
M> and have bigger cheap storage space!!...Cartridges are very expensive
M> to produce!!...CDs scratch/crack tooo don't forget!!...N64 cartridges
M> hard to break....I remember my friend toke a game back to a shop
M> wanting his money back!!..the only way he could get his money back
M> was to put sellotape over the edge connector and hope they did'nt look (
M> N64 cartridges are water proof!!)

I'll not deny that Nintendo is in some deep shit, or that the N64
is badly marketted, but Nintendo have done more for the computer
industry - they practically restarted it after the 'big crash' in
the 80s, have innovated time and again, proved their worth in
software and hardware, and been awarded the top accolades.

M> Nintendo are great...I cannot wait for the Dolphin!!!...

Sony just have a bigger marketting department.

M> And probley alot more money too!!

In a sense, it's a *bit* like the Amiga/PC situation - superior
machine and superior 'ethic' against the mighty marketting machine.
The latter always wins, but only a fool would say that Nintendo
or the Amiga were 'crap' simply because they don't get the ratings
look at the Gameboy, the analogue stick 'craze', the d-pad in
the first place, the first ever 3D-with-a-camera-platformer (Mario64)
and the cutesy coup that is Pokmon - and God himself Shigeru
Miyamoto. Who can really say that Nintendo need Square to succeed in
the realms of RPGness when they have the guy who invented Zelda??

(Although I will say that the Playstation has some far superior games
to the N64's counterparts, especially in driving sims)

M> I would say the Playstation has more, and the percentage of the games
M> are crap/bad...007 on the playstation is funny..crap controls, crap
camera angles..it
M> sucks...some say its the worst PSX game ever...I won't go that
far!!.....Goldeneye
M> is so much better!!!....Did I say I wanted a Dolphin?

Michael

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> On 26-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> 
> > no! no more b******rg pre-orders!!
> 
> > alan
> 
> b******rg    ........? bluuuuurg?

;-) keep guessing

alan

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> So what stuff can use the fastram rather than the rare chip stuff? is it
> just like icons and menus, or are we talking lots here?

graphics. as they can be put to the screen via  a gfx card, or, via
FBlit if you havent got a vision aider

alan

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Not in my dimension

I wont ask.............

alan

> Either  way, 50mhz or 100mhz, it would speed up my 3640 equiped
> 3000. The question for me is, does it work and does it fit?
> For 200$ it sure looks tempting. If anybody has knowledge about
> the Quad Doubler lemme know.
>
> Thanks,

I cannot see any reason why not...after all this would take the 040 25MHz
or what ever off and then accommodate a 040 50MHz or 040 100MHz in its
place...it probley already changes the osciallation pulse rate anyway...I
cannot see any reason why not I filled in their help forum bit of their
website to try and find out if their Allegro SE '030 accelator would work on
my A500
afterall they are both working on the same processor (I just hope the Mac SE
uses a rectagular 68000 socket!!!)...I have a feeling that PDS slot is
something that
only the MacSE has (ie something like a Zorro slot with something like the
Escena for the
it!)

Michael

Hi, all

I have just uploaded a picture that came from something said on the egroups AFB
mailing list, about the rumours of new amiga hard/software. I think it was
Matt Sealy, but i am not sure, anyway, cos i dont fancy spamming about
20gb of data across the net, you can grab the pic from my web site.

http://www.amimjf.connectfree.co.uk/pics/promo0.png

should be ok,.. if for some reason you should want the drawstudio2 sources
they are there at http://www.amimjf.connectfree.co.uk/index04.html

All i need now if for my T-Shirt transfer paper to arrive and i will have
my very own walking amiga advert.

cheers,

-- 
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amimjf@connectfree.co.uk                    http:bounce.to/matts
Matthew.Fletcher@student.shu.ac.uk    ICQ amimjf 44193496
--
ASL has 15 signs for stupidity; 3 for smart.

According to Alan, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: MANAGE: Last chance for OS3.5.

> - and if you're serious about your Amiga, you'll have a gfx
> cards..

Ah, just what I like to see - well reasoned arguments :/

To buy a gfx card you basically either need
a) A PPC to plug it into if you've got an A1200
b) and/or a nice tower
c) A big-box Amiga capable of holding one in the first place
d) Possibly a huge power supply
e) A secret personal supplier of BVisions

It is /completely/ possible to be serious about your Amiga and still
not have enough money for that kind of equipment.

> alan

Paul C, simply having a wonderful Christmastime
-- 
... "Bother" said Piglet, for no apparent reason

Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

>> Does anyone know if the Castlewood SCSI ORB drive's will work on an A1200 as
>> easily as Iomega's ZIP or JAZ drives. 

> according to AA, yes, it does work - but its slower than the ATAPI ZIP
> drive (but that could be fixed by using something like PFS3 on it)

That was the IDE Orb tested. The SCSI unit had a faulty interface.


Neil
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-- 
I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory.

www.digiguide.co.uk is running a poll to see what other platforms they
should port their TV listings software too.  The Amiga is one
contender. I've seen one other post on this topic which was inaccurate
in suggesting that only those with Sky Digital would benefit.

The digiguide software is EXCELLENT, you dial up once a fortnight and
download the listings for the channels you watch this takes about 3
mins (I just pick BBC 1 & 2, Tyne Tees, C4 and C5).

You can colour code shows into catagories like sci-fi, soap, comedy,
there's full information on all the fortnight's TV, even local shows
that only appear in your TV region.  The software will remind you when
your favourites are on etc. It's like an interactive TV Times and loads
better.

The Amiga has only just been added to the polling list for possible
future ports, so is way behind the other platforms.  I cannot stress
how useful and unique this software is, it would be great to see it run
on the Amiga as well, I hope you can take a few seconds to go to
DigiGuide's home page and vote for the Amiga version.  

In the current (December) edition of AF there's small article about
the CIAA chip which seems to suggest it can be replaced.

This chip has died on one of my boards and the repair shop says that
means I need a new motherboard (number 2).

If it is replaceable how is it achieved, a specialist shop?1

Hello Andrew

On 27-Nov-99, you wrote:

 
>   That's weird, how do you move the wb backdrop around? Mine is
> always from the top left corner.

The backdrop I'm using is a jpeg I downloaded and moved to the
backdrops draw.

The image is bigger than my screen size, (small scart T.V.), so by
using the cursor arrows I can move the picture to get the best view.

See you, P.C.

> On 14-Nov-99 21:19:02 GMT, dporter wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys,  I can't be the only one to have had this problem, but, when I
> > first signed on to the afb I used to get all the correspondence via
> > email. Now however since I performed some serious formating/partitionin
> > g on my A4000/060/84ishMB PIV/Paloma/Pablo/120+540HD's I can only get
> > to read the messages via the egroups page which is so slow.  If any
> > fellow amigan can point me in the right direction so I can use
> > microdotII again I would be most grateful.  many thanks Dave Porter
> > (senior)
> 
> Have just checked, and your address has been flagged as "permanently
> bouncing" by eGroups :(  It seems you are not the only screaming.net
> customer, on afb, to experience this problem.  Anyway, I have reset
> your status, so let's see how things go...  Hopefully you'll start
> receiving afb mails again.
> 
> If you continue to have problems, then you'll need to contact
> support@egroups.com, quoting http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/
> 
 
Oliver

> -- Many thanks for your assistance I am now once again able to
receive the AFB mails.

Cheers and take it easy
Dave

PS Not wishing to receive the obvious but, was it just a phone call to
screaming.net or is there a more devious method of finding out what
you did for me 
Cheers

>  *Oliver Roberts*  -  Norwich, UK  -  Software Developer & Web
Designer
>  /oliver.roberts@iname.com/  |  /oliver@amigaf1.freeserve.co.uk/
>  http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/  -  ICQ: 34640231
> -- 
>  Amiga F1GP Mailing List ==> To: majordomo@thule.no; "subscribe
amigaf1gp"
> <tsb>
> 
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
> 
> eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/
> http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
> 
> 
> 

> On 14-Nov-99 21:19:02 GMT, dporter wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys,  I can't be the only one to have had this problem, but, when I
> > first signed on to the afb I used to get all the correspondence via
> > email. Now however since I performed some serious formating/partitionin
> > g on my A4000/060/84ishMB PIV/Paloma/Pablo/120+540HD's I can only get
> > to read the messages via the egroups page which is so slow.  If any
> > fellow amigan can point me in the right direction so I can use
> > microdotII again I would be most grateful.  many thanks Dave Porter
> > (senior)
> 
> Have just checked, and your address has been flagged as "permanently
> bouncing" by eGroups :(  It seems you are not the only screaming.net
> customer, on afb, to experience this problem.  Anyway, I have reset
> your status, so let's see how things go...  Hopefully you'll start
> receiving afb mails again.
> 
Oliver
      Many thanks for your help, I am now able to receive the AFB
mails, by the way, was it just a phone call to screaming.net or, is
there a more devious way of doing what you did 

Take it easy Dave

> If you continue to have problems, then you'll need to contact
> support@egroups.com, quoting http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/
> 
> -- 
>  *Oliver Roberts*  -  Norwich, UK  -  Software Developer & Web
Designer
>  /oliver.roberts@iname.com/  |  /oliver@amigaf1.freeserve.co.uk/
>  http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/  -  ICQ: 34640231
> -- 
>  Amiga F1GP Mailing List ==> To: majordomo@thule.no; "subscribe
amigaf1gp"
> <tsb>
> 
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
> 
> eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/
> http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
> 
> 
> 

Hi there

andrew crowe <andrewcrow-@enterprise.net> wrote: 

> It's starting to sound more like a computer then a console.. Which
reminds me of a certain other type of computer, about 14 years ago.
> 
> If I remember correctly, this is how Amiga took of, as a games
machine, but it actually turned out to be quite a vercatile system.
> 
> 
> Maybe this'll happen to the PSX2? If no decent new amiga machines
come out, and the Psx2 doesn't have stupid WindowsCE on it, maybe we
should keep an eye on it?    
> 
> Hey, it'll be better then a PC won't it?  :)

Actually at the beginning of the year I thought there was a fair chance
of Amiga actually in the PS2, the chance was there, Sony wanted a
digital convergance product, with an OS to beat the pants Windows CE. 

Amiga was poised to produce this, after all they had the right product
design, which was based upon the QNX kernal, which Sony had signed for
thier HAVi projects.

I think that if Amiga inc. had of concentrated on producing a first
class OS that third parties could have licenced for thier own products
(based around Amiga's compatiblity specs.)and then worried about
producing the Killer hardware that was the MCC we users would not be in
the 'so what happens next?' limbo we are now.

If Amiga had organised itself better this time last year we could now
be looking forward to the PS2 having a 'Powered by Amiga' logo stamped
upon it, a stable future in the Amiga market, and maybe even a better
looking PS2 (Amiga Inc. with it's modern MCC designs would have given
Sony a few hints on it's current design (like burn it and start again.))

By the way, James Bond, great game.

See ya later,

Andy

Hi,
just a quick thankyou to eveyone that gave advice when my A1200T
decided to spontaneously combust, I managed to get it working again
that weekend.

I've been too busy with 'A' levels and work to get on the 'net recently
so sorry for the delay.

My Amiga is now a dream to use, all I need now is the knowlege to get
the best from Cinema4D (Yes ex-CU Amiga reader).

Cheers

Andy.

Hi Everybody,
 =

> If Amiga had organised itself better this time last year we could now
> be looking forward to the PS2 having a 'Powered by Amiga' logo stamped
> upon it, a stable future in the Amiga market,

   Hmm, I don't think sony would use anything amiga, and anyway I'd presu=
me they don't want to have to deal with any other companies and just make=
 the machine pure sony... (plus you know what kind of image Amiga has at =
the mo ;)

>  and maybe even a better
> looking PS2 (Amiga Inc. with it's modern MCC designs would have given
> Sony a few hints on it's current design (like burn it and start again.)=
)

   Is that case or specs? I think the psx2 actually looks pretty good as =
it is, and the specs aren't that bad too :)

> By the way, James Bond, great game.

   Thanks :)


See ya :)
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 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
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Hello again,

I've been wondering during the past couple of weeks what my next
upgrade should be. I don't want the cost/compatibility problems of an
'060.I really want the horse-power of PPC, but at the price of the card
plus the GFX card that you need to really take advantage of it, and the
lack of applications that use PPC code I feel that it isn't worth it.
If however, there was a decent 68K emulator that would do 680x0
@100Mhz+ then I would consider. 

So my qusetion is, what emulators are in the pipeline? Are they any
good? How compatible are they? Which chip(s) do they emulate? What
speed do they run at? Will I be able to forget about using 680x0 chips
altogether? How much will they cost? 

Cheers,

Andy.

On 28-Nov-99, Michael wrote:

> I think it was on this list that someone complained that my sig was too
> big and needed to have -- put in....Can someone check and alter my sig if
> wrong, please....thanks in advance

and a space after the -- like someone else said, thanks :)

Mash - 
-- 
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Politically Correct Thinking is...THE NEW FASCISM!

andrew crowe <andrewcrow-@enterprise.net> wrote: 

>    Hmm, I don't think sony would use anything amiga, and anyway I'd
presume they don't want to have to deal with any other companies and
just make the machine pure sony... (plus you know what kind of image
Amiga has at the mo ;)

Not really, Sony was already working with QNX and other electronics
firms on HAVi, they co-developed CDs with Phillips, and don't forget
the MSX computer, with which they worked with loads of firms including
Microsoft!  
 
>    Is that case or specs? I think the psx2 actually looks pretty good
as it is, and the specs aren't that bad too :)

The case of course, in fact that poor case is the only thing that could
threaten the PS2's initial sales, after building up the games market
with the fashionable, style conscience, casual gamer, releasing
something that ugly could be a bit of a mistake (they could redesign
the case and rerelease it any time they want so it isn't too much of a
problem).

Bye,

Andy

Hello chris@shineyrow.co.uk

> www.digiguide.co.uk is running a poll to see what other platforms they
> should port their TV listings software too.  The Amiga is one
> contender. 
> The Amiga has only just been added to the polling list for possible
> future ports, so is way behind the other platforms.  I cannot stress
> how useful and unique this software is, it would be great to see it run
> on the Amiga as well, I hope you can take a few seconds to go to
> DigiGuide's home page and vote for the Amiga version.  


just done it but its only 1% the web based one is our BEST bet

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

Hi All,

I recently bought an '060 accelerator card and as I underestand it I need
to install other software in order to make it run faster. I am not sure what
other software I need and so would appreciate any suggestions.

*MO*

Alan M Buxey wrote:

> into both Amiga mags...after all, adverts on a page of AF and AA are
> cheaper than for a page in a prime magazine
>
> alan


Are you sure about that.
I'm a buyer for a chain of Electrical retailers in Norfolk, when the MCC was
going ahead
I was planning to stock the new Amiga and a full range of software, USB add
ons, and printers in our 3 biggest stores.
We even got as far as setting up a Mail Order division to ready to handle
the new business.
I enquired about advertising costs in both the Amiga mags at the WOA show,
and found it would run into
several thousand pounds for full page colour adverts, this was OK when we
were targeting a new start-up
market but with the existing user base I wouldn't be able to justify the
costs to my Boss.
I suppose it may possible to advertise the other products we sell ( Hi-fi
Separates DVD TV VCR Playstation Etc) I'm sure
most of you need TV's/washing machines and other such stuff, but the with
the price of an advert in AF or AA we could run a full page ad in a local
newspaper, which would reach a much higher readership.
Believe me if I thought I could justify the costs you would see our Adverts.


Regards

Alan Anthony

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:18:40 +0000 (GMT), Alan L.M. Buxey (kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:
> 
> On 27 Nov 1999, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:
> 
> > I'm sure I didn't see Matt Sealey and Alan Buxley in any of them.  Oh, and
> > they're the top two posters ...
> 
> ? i emailed my little snippet to Claire.

What you've lost in that editing process is the fact that someone (I forget
who now, sorry) said that the 5 people who did email Clare a snippet
weren't the top posters on the list - he claimed they only sent something
when Ben kicked ass.  I disagreed and used yourself and Mr Sealey as
evidence.

:)

Kev



-- 
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On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:51:58 +0100, Ken Walsh (bigken@ukonline.co.uk) wrote:
> Hello chris@shineyrow.co.uk
> 
> > www.digiguide.co.uk is running a poll to see what other platforms they
> > should port their TV listings software too.  The Amiga is one
> > contender. 
> > The Amiga has only just been added to the polling list for possible
> > future ports, so is way behind the other platforms.  I cannot stress
> > how useful and unique this software is, it would be great to see it run
> > on the Amiga as well, I hope you can take a few seconds to go to
> > DigiGuide's home page and vote for the Amiga version.  
> 
> just done it but its only 1% the web based one is our BEST bet


which will probably require java ....

Kev

-- 
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Hi Matthew,

On 27-Nov-99 you wrote:

>>> sure a few of them PC Pro advertisers would make a fair bit with their
>>> rock bottom prices in Af and it might even kick powerc and eyetech into
>>> line with theirs.

>> They're scared of doing it because they may have to give tech support...

> AmiUser: "hello, bargain micros?"
> BargainMicros: "Yes, how may we help?"
> AU: "Uhh, that accelerator you sold me wont work"
> BM: "Have you plugged it in?"
> AU: "aaahhh, right, that'll be it, thanks"

> There, typical helpline conversation, really not much to installing amiga
> hardware! ;)

No, Matt, you've missed the point - they'd be selling generic stuff; hard
drives, memory etc.  You can't really imagine that they'd be selling
Amiga-specific hardware, well, /you/ could but... ;

Martin.
-- 

Hi Alan,

On 28-Nov-99 you wrote:

[snip copyright free samples]

>> I know diddly-sqaut about mods and samples etc., but wouldn't it be a
>> bitch of a job to check every one?

> not if the mods could only contain the samples that were on the
> coverdisk previously

It would be a relatively simple task to use ARexx and OSS (or any tracker
with an ARexx port) to check all the mods, wouldn't it?

> (i like the idea of that competition!)

Yep, but as with most ideas people suggest, it ain't gonna happen :-/

Martin.
-- 

Hi Everybody,

> Not really, Sony was already working with QNX and other electronics
> firms on HAVi, they co-developed CDs with Phillips, and don't forget
> the MSX computer, with which they worked with loads of firms including
> Microsoft!  =


   They did? didn't hear much about that :)

>>    Is that case or specs? I think the psx2 actually looks pretty good
> as it is, and the specs aren't that bad too :)
> =

> The case of course, in fact that poor case is the only thing that could=

> threaten the PS2's initial sales, after building up the games market
> with the fashionable, style conscience, casual gamer, releasing
> something that ugly could be a bit of a mistake (they could redesign
> the case and rerelease it any time they want so it isn't too much of a
> problem).

   The case looks good to me, robust black design with a nice touch of el=
ectric-blue details, and having a vertical stand is a pretty good idea to=
o.
(Anyway, makes a change to those nasty tacky clear plastic cases that are=
 going round nowerdays, I-Mac, new N64s etc... ;) =


See ya :)
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Hi all

You'll probably not (if you know me at all) be surprised to find I've been
playing Quake again.  I've been going through it quite thoroughly and I've
foind something that's bugging me.
When you select the Nightmare portal, just before going through it there's a
tile with some glowing skulls on it.  Shooting this gives you the message

"The well of wishes awaits in the crypt of decay"

Now I've played the crypt of decay and it seems no different whatsoever.  So
what's with the message?  Ben, you did the walkthrough...

Tatty byes
--
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WWW: http://www.furmanskinet.connectfree.co.uk
ICQ - 51206302

This week's long lie: Early computers were large not, as is commonly
believed, because we could not manufacture compact integrated circuits, but
because in the 1960's electrons were approximately 3cm in diameter, and so
space had to be left for them to move around in the circuitry. Nowadays,
more modern electrons are used, some of which are only 0.1mm in diameter.

Yo buddeez

Do you love Quake?  Do you want more great addons?  I've found what is
arguably the best so far.  Ben, I demand you include it on a future CD so
that all can enjoy its hilarity!

ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/idgames2/quakec/weapons/sodomizr.zip

And it's only 780K, so don't be scared!

Tatty byes
--
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WWW: http://www.furmanskinet.connectfree.co.uk
ICQ - 51206302

This week's long lie: Early computers were large not, as is commonly
believed, because we could not manufacture compact integrated circuits, but
because in the 1960's electrons were approximately 3cm in diameter, and so
space had to be left for them to move around in the circuitry. Nowadays,
more modern electrons are used, some of which are only 0.1mm in diameter.

Hi Michael (and others)

On 28-Nov-99, you wrote:

> My point is not whether they were 'always an option'. My point is
> that Nintendo had the balls to do it first, something which both
> Sega and Nintendo have yet to do. I very very much doubt anyone
> would be using analogue pads with their consoles now if Nintendo
> hadn't have paved the way. We'd all be using D-pads, and 

... and so on and so on...

I think it's long overdue that this thread moved across to the OT group
instead... The mails are getting stupidly long and increasingly tedious for
those of us not into consoles...

Thanks,

Frost.
-- 

On 28-Nov-99, Paul Cundle wrote:

>> - and if you're serious about your Amiga, you'll have a gfx
>> cards..

Ok, I'll buy myself a ppc card a a nice fast bvision...oops wait, no you
can't buy them for love nor money. Ok then I'll get a P4 and a big 400 to
put it in....oh, no wait, you can't get a 4000 either.

You tell me how I can get a new machine with a gfx card and I'll start
saving

Mash - 
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

As scarce as truth is, the supply invariably exceeds the demand.

I just read a /very/ interesting mail where you said about [afb] gfx cards:

> On 28-Nov-99, Paul Cundle wrote:
>=20
> >> - and if you're serious about your Amiga, you'll have a gfx
> >> cards=2E=2E
>=20
> Ok, I'll buy myself a ppc card a a nice fast bvision=2E=2E=2Eoops wait, n=
o you
> can't buy them for love nor money=2E Ok then I'll get a P4 and a big 400 =
to
> put it in=2E=2E=2E=2Eoh, no wait, you can't get a 4000 either=2E

> You tell me how I can get a new machine with a gfx card and I'll start
> saving

Er, excuse me=2E That's what I said=2E You've quoted Alan and said
it was me=2E Naughty=2E

> Mash -=20

Paul C, read before you write
--=20
=2E=2E=2E I can't remember when my computer last cras#@P)*&=A3=2E=2E NO CAR=
RIER

Hello,

Maybe somone up there might help me to understand this.

I got a mail from another list ( don't know if the author is
a member, since there's no members list on the webpage )
just saying :

 > stop a.u.b

Since I had no idea of what a.u.b could be,  I asked the guy 
what  he meant. The answer was :

> quiet every message from egroups have no time to read
> them all, thank you for showing it 
( sic! )

Could anyone more experienced explain this in normal English?

Thank you.

Patrice

-- 
'Am I in France?'
( William Shakespeare - King Lear, act 4, scene 7 )
-- 

"alan l.m. buxey" <kcci-@central.susx.ac.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=38224
> 
> On 27 Nov 1999, Tim Seifert wrote:
> 
> > You are forgetting that Microsoft make some of the worst (buggiest)
> > software of the lot.  Having them writing software for use would
not be
> > an advantage.
> 
> ah! but loads of (dumb) people would think it was! also , we'd be able
> to use "industry standard" apps on our Amigas...so we could do things
> like use facilities provided by clueless corporations (we've only just
> finished this online banking discussion)
> 

There is also the problem of the huge lead that M$/Intel based systems
have, which is central to the UsVsMs(!) case.

I've been reading the case for the prosecution on some of my lunch
breaks. I am less than half way though it (its 419k in Adobe PDF
format) - I do have other things to do at work ;-).

The prosecutions starting point is that M$ are a monopoly, and that for
the forseable future, there will be no rivals of any size, given the
current state of the market. Their document then goes on ths state
something like :-

(1) 95% (and growing) of desktop PCs use a form of Windows because (a)
thats how they are sold, and (b) thats where the applications everyone
wants to run are based. Its also seen as a relatively easy o/s to get
to grips with.
(2) Because of this, most applications are developed for Windows and
nothng else. These are some rivals, but Windows as over 10x the
applications of all of them (e.g. MAC o/s). None of them have broken
this applicatins barrier, nor are any likely too.
(3) Most Windows desktop PC's are Intel (or clone) based. Therefore,
any non-Intel system has the dual whammy of not being able to run
Windows, or being able to run its apps (as an aside, I hear that M$ are
to abandon the DEC Alpha versions od their o/s).
(4) No one is willing to develop for the other platforms because of the
lack of users. They only see profits tot he scale they want on the
Intel/Windows based system.
(5) All other o/ses and platforms suffer as a result, because no-one
develops applications for them because very few people run a
non-Intel/non-Windows desktop PC. Catch-22.
(6) If an non-M$/Intel system did appear, theres all the hassle and
cost of transferring over. Note - While the company I work for would
not hesitate to do this if the o/s and apps were right, I can not
comment on the 99.9999999999% of other employers out there.

Note - There has been no mention of Amiga or Linux so far in this
document. Their main point of comparison is the MAC, though OS/2 and
BeOS get a mention.

They then go on to say that because of this defacto monopoly, M$ could
(at any time) decide to hike the price of Windows for no reason
whatsoever and that the majority of users would have to put up with the
rip-off because they would not find an alternative.

I think that is their chosem method of attack. Not that Windows is crap
(could it be proved, aside from annecdotal evidence anyhow).

So, M$ have the computer world in a strangle hold.

Anyhow, thats as far as I have got with the document. Maybe more will
be revealed the further I get in to it, like what they plan to do with
M$.

Personally, I'd like to see M$ banned from making o/ses. A friend would
like to see them forced in to making Windows open source.

Martin

ive been looking at the databses and i think what people have done to you is
sick and perverted.  nobody shoud have to be treated like that.

pete

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proud owner of A500 powerhouse ala '91
now cooking with A4000/233PPC

> > www.digiguide.co.uk is running a poll to see what other platforms they
> > should port their TV listings software too.  The Amiga is one
> > contender. 
> > The Amiga has only just been added to the polling list for possible
> > future ports, so is way behind the other platforms.  I cannot stress
> > how useful and unique this software is, it would be great to see it run
> > on the Amiga as well, I hope you can take a few seconds to go to
> > DigiGuide's home page and vote for the Amiga version.  

I just downloaded this, lush .... great ..... it got my Amiga vote :-).

What about putting this in the next AF ......

See ya
      Jon

_Replying to a message_:

   By:  Michael <Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk>
  Via:  afb <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  28-Nov-99 18:00:14
About:  [afb] Re: 100MHz 68040!

Hi Michael,

>> Either  way, 50mhz or 100mhz, it would speed up my 3640 equiped
>> 3000. The question for me is, does it work and does it fit?
>> For 200$ it sure looks tempting. If anybody has knowledge about
>> the Quad Doubler lemme know.

> I cannot see any reason why not...after all this would take the 040 25MHz
> or what ever off and then accommodate a 040 50MHz or 040 100MHz in its
> place...it probley already changes the osciallation pulse rate anyway...I
> cannot see any reason why not

I can see at least one reason why putting a faster chip in might not
work (it's a possibility, but not a remotely impossible one).  The rest
of the board (components, and the track layout) was probably designed
with a slower CPU in mind, and may not be usuable when used a faster
rate.

This is just one of the reasons why overclocking works for some people
and not for others.  It's not just the CPU, but everything that talks
with it, must be able to carry data without corruption.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

-- 

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   By:  Matthew O'Neill <mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk>
  Via:  afb <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  28-Nov-99 02:49:40
About:  [afb] Re: siggy

Hi Matthew,

>> Actually, it needs to be "dash dash space", not just "dash dash" to work
>> properly...

Nearly, but not quite...  It has to be dash dash space <return>, if you
had anything else after the dash dash space (like more text), it doesn't
work.

> Ah yes, 'twas the same problem on another list, where the server whooped off
> the space, so no sig cutting happened

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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   By:  Alex Paton <alex.paton@tesco.net>
  Via:  afb <afb@eGroups.com>
Dated:  28-Nov-99 08:29:03
About:  [afb] Re: mui

Hi Alex,

>> Does  anyone know if that there is a UK registration address ?

> Do not know of an UK address but I have recently registered through
> their Web site with no problems.

The SASG one?  How long did it take for them to respond?  I've been
waiting over a week now (and I've e-mailed them asking what's going on).

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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support, and more.  For further information visit the web site.  
 
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   By:  Michael <Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk>
  Via:  afb <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  28-Nov-99 16:09:46
About:  [afb] Shorting the sig!

Hi Michael,

> I think it was on this list that someone complained that my sig was too big
> and needed to have -- put in....Can someone check and alter my sig if
> wrong, please....thanks in advance

Almost...  It's dash dash space return.
                          ^^^^^
If you want to avoid being flamed for including *all* your machine
specs, it's better to either limit the information somehow, or put the
info on your website, with a link.

e.g.  See the wooden Amiga at:
      http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert/tim/Woody.html

Not that the amount of information you printed bothers me; my own
signature's fairly long, but mine's a tease for what's on my website,
not a whole index.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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Hi Alan and Kev

> > ? i emailed my little snippet to Claire.
>
> What you've lost in that editing process is the fact that someone (I
forget
> who now, sorry) said that the 5 people who did email Clare a snippet
> weren't the top posters on the list - he claimed they only sent something
> when Ben kicked ass.  I disagreed and used yourself and Mr Sealey as
> evidence.
>
> :)
>
> Kev
>
T`wos me, and it looks as if I owe an inadvertant apology to you, Alan.
It`s still crap that only 5 responded tho.

Jon
--

> The only thing is has going for it *is* it's nice looks.

> But using MUI is stupid for something as simple as a file
> requester..

Even MUI doesn't use MUI for file requesters :)



===================================
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
===================================

Real meanings #2:
WINDOWS: Will Install Needless Data On Whole System

> Mattell Intellivision and Colecovision Adam.

Sorry matey, I used to have an Intellivision, and it didn't have any form=
 of analogue input. The circular direction pad was similar to ordinary jo=
ypads, except that it had 8 digital direction sensors instead of 4.



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #4:
NETWARE: Never Easily Talks With Any Remote Equipment

> I thought everyone here hated pre-orders? And what, as I suspect, we only
> get about 100 orders? No-one manufacturer is going to do a run of a hundred
> items of any description for anyone...

Screenstars will happily do sub-100 orders of t-shirts.



===================================
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
===================================

Real meanings #1:
MS-WINDOWS: Mighty Slow When Its Not Dealing Only With Solitaire

On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:10:56 +0000, Peter Gordon (mrtickle@amiga4k.ndo.co.uk) wrote:
> > Mattell Intellivision and Colecovision Adam.
> 
> Sorry matey, I used to have an Intellivision, and it didn't have any form of analogue input. The circular direction pad was similar to ordinary joypads, except that it had 8 digital direction sensors instead of 4.

My atari 2600 had an analogue controller ....

Kev

-- 
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Hello Alan L.M. Buxey,
 your comments on [afb] Re: MANAGE: Last chance for OS3.5 have got me thinking
>On 26 Nov 1999, Phil Ellis wrote:

>because thre are bugs in OS3.0 which will eventually rear their ugly
>heads...one advantage of upgrading to os3.5 is you get the os3.1 roms -
>worth the money in the first place! (especially since my os3.1 upgrade
>cost me 100 ukp!) - and if you're serious about your Amiga, you'll have
>a gfx cards..and without 3.1 ROMS, gfx cards are hell let loose on your
>computing life!

I am serious, I've got a graphics card (see below) I've had both running
together for 18 months without any major problems. If this is hell it's not all
it's cracked up to be. :-)

___________________________________________________
Phil Ellis Amiga 4000/040 PIV Magellan II ICQ 38892967
For information on Cystic Fibrosis
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/philllip.ellis/contents.htm
---------------------------------------------------
The Amiga: Intel Outside but Alien Love Secrets Inside!!!

I don't know if anyone has tried it themselves but IC24's free Sunday internet
access works perfectly with the Amiga. It's just a shame you have to use a PC
and IE to sign on.

___________________________________________________
Phil Ellis Amiga 4000/040 PIV Magellan II ICQ 38892967
For information on Cystic Fibrosis
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/philllip.ellis/contents.htm
---------------------------------------------------
Have you crashed your Windows today ?

Just a question don't jump down my throat.
When Amiga emulation reaches the level when an 060 can be emulated at full
speed, will that be the end of the classic Amiga?

___________________________________________________
Phil Ellis Amiga 4000/040 PIV Magellan II ICQ 38892967
For information on Cystic Fibrosis
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/philllip.ellis/contents.htm
---------------------------------------------------
Dogs crawl under fences' software crawls under Windows.

Hello.

andrew crowe <andrewcrow-@enterprise.net> wrote: 

> 
>    They did? didn't hear much about that :)
> 
There's an article on it in AF124 if you don't beleive me. But I'm
going to check on the QNX part, as someone earier told me that it was
only ever talked about and nothing was ever worked upon (never
completely trust the internet!!)

> 
>    The case looks good to me, robust black design with a nice touch
of electric-blue details, and having a vertical stand is a pretty good
idea too.
> (Anyway, makes a change to those nasty tacky clear plastic cases that
are going round nowerdays, I-Mac, new N64s etc... ;) 

I agree with you on the I-Macs but the PS2 (it's NOT the PSX2)if far
too blocky and reminds me of the orignal american SNES design (but in
black), the idea was to make it more at home in the living room hence
the colour, but I think it would look out of place, unless you still
own a betamax video recorder circa 1983. Also the new logo is a graphic
design nightmare, and looks so out of place (could you imaging how many
people would stop buying Sony TVs if they had a badge like that on
them?) all they needed was the original Playstation PS and 'Playstation
2' written on in the original font, and possibly a small emotion engine
logo. Maybe (hopefully) Sony will sort out some of these problems
before it finally goes to production of PAL units next summer.

See Ya.

Andy

Hello Mark

> Hi All,
> 
> I recently bought an '060 accelerator card and as I underestand it I need
> to install other software in order to make it run faster. I am not sure what
> other software I need and so would appreciate any suggestions.

if a blizzard 1260 go to http://www.geocities.com/Area51/1739/1260.html you
need some new libs etc can get them all for free also stuff to put into
WBStartup draw

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

Hello Kevin

> On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:51:58 +0100, Ken Walsh (bigken@ukonline.co.uk) wrote:
>> Hello chris@shineyrow.co.uk
>> 
>>> www.digiguide.co.uk is running a poll to see what other platforms they
>>> should port their TV listings software too.  The Amiga is one
>>> contender. 
>>> The Amiga has only just been added to the polling list for possible
>>> future ports, so is way behind the other platforms.  I cannot stress
>>> how useful and unique this software is, it would be great to see it run
>>> on the Amiga as well, I hope you can take a few seconds to go to
>>> DigiGuide's home page and vote for the Amiga version.  
>> 
>> just done it but its only 1% the web based one is our BEST bet
> 
> 
> which will probably require java ....

I emailed them direct here is there reply:-

Thanks for your email Ken

We plan to port DigiGuide to various other platforms over the coming year
but I am afraid I cannot say which and when. It is likely that an Amiga port
would be along those, but unfortunately nearer the bottom due to the vote
that is on our web site.

Thanks again for the feedback.

Best regards
Dan Petitt

t: +44 (0)1395 274630
e: danp@gipsymedia.com

#http://www.digiguide.co.uk#
"The world's best totally free offline UK TV listings program." major
channels (Sky and Terrestrial), favourites, reminders, speech, smart search,
personal settings and very easy to use -- what more could 


                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

Hi All,

Having just seen this thread I had to reply with just a few points about
Sony's plans. As well as a few points about PSX2.
Most of this will be known readers of Edge and some computing websites.

1.) Sony plans on making workstations for game development and 3D graphics
based around the NGPS chipset. they also plan on continuing the development
of the NGPS chipset for future machines.

The main reason for this strategy came from Sony's research in finding a
suitable development platform. High end UNIX workstations are fine for most
large studios, but Sony I think have realised that they need to tap into
smaller and even home developers. Sony after all were the only mainstream
console manufacturer to release a reduced developer's version of their
console, with all the necessary development tools for a reasonable price.(I
hope they do this again with the PSX2 in some way.)

2.) Sony have adopted Linux as their development platform, seems a like a
wise idea since it is a stable development platform, although I think the
tools Sony ship with their developer's tool kit are in their infancy.
However each kit does costs around $20,000+.

3.) A company like Sony do work closely with other companies they are
required to if they want to stay on the edge. Sony make standard audio and
video components which are used throughout the audio and video industry.

4.) It also has to be remembered that 5 years ago Sony had nothing to do
with the games industry, and look at where they are at now. Arguably on top.

5.) Another important fact is that they are one of the largest and most
successful multinational companies.

It will be very interested in seing any such workstation from Sony, I don't
think Sony can ignore what the Amiga achieved and how it was achieved.
Though I think any co-operation between Sony and Amiga in their current
state can be dismissed straight away.

As for this machine replacing the Amiga, well which Amiga would it be
replacing, it has nothing in common with the Amigas currently available. It
is after all just a modern incarnation of an old idea with some bells and
whistles, but this is where the marketing muscle that is Sony comes in.

I just hope the G3/G4 boards and Photon (or whatever its called) arrive
before it is too late otherwise we might just have to do with a PSX2 with a
keyboard.


Fasih

> 
> Should be a bit of a laugh if we get Jay into the top 100! :))
> 
Well,

I voted a little more the once...accurally about 20 times but hey
why not!!!...I was downloading my mail at the time so!!!

Michael

> If it runs its own OS, which it should 'cause otherwise it would just be
> another M$-Wonderbox, there is a lot more they have to offer. Just naming
a
> few: DTP software, DT-video, paint-packages, music-aplications, and so
on...
> So they really have to do a very good job. And don't forget they'll have
to
> compete with the likes of M$-Windoze and Linux. The latter does already
offer
> a lot in terms of low-budget software (not free since you still need to
> download them).
>

Are we still talking about the PSX2?...its just that didn't Sony say that
the PSX2 would
be running a modifyed Linux kernal?

Michael

_Replying to a message_:

   By:  Phil Wagstaff <p.wagstaff@free4all.co.uk>
  Via:  afb <afb@eGroups.com>
Dated:  28-Nov-99 23:20:33
About:  [afb] CIAA chip repair/replace

Hi Phil,

> In the current (December) edition of AF there's small article about
> the CIAA chip which seems to suggest it can be replaced.
>
> This chip has died on one of my boards and the repair shop says that
> means I need a new motherboard (number 2).
>
> If it is replaceable how is it achieved, a specialist shop?1

The level of computer repair incompetance astounds me!  Even the humble
TV set repairman has been replacing surface mounted components for
years.  Even when new parts aren't available, they manage; most have
collection of junked boards to raid components from.  And in fact, very
often, when you get your TV or VCR repaired, you'll end up with a
recycled part being used for the repairs, and you'll get charged the
cost of a new part too.  Nor do they replace an entire motherboard
instead of replacing one chip.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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>ive been looking at the databses and i think what people have done >to you 
>is
>sick and perverted.  nobody shoud have to be treated like that.

Umm, what the heck are you on about, and who is it aimed at?

______________________________________________________

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> Sega and Nintendo have yet to do. I very very much doubt anyone
> would be using analogue pads with their consoles now if Nintendo
> hadn't have paved the way. We'd all be using D-pads, and PC owners

the analogue PSX controller was made before the N64. Its only now that
it comes with the actual console as part of a bundle...after all, why
ship a more pricey controller (and up the pack charge) when only a
hdanful of games used the feature?

> That's what they tell you. What really happened is that Nintendo just
> charge extortionate fees to manufacture carts. The N64 is piss easy
> to program for, VERY much more so than the Playstation, it just costs

if the N64 was 'piss easy' to program , there'd be a lot more 3rd party
developers. Ask some of them why they dont develop...and why Nintendo
are working hard to provide an easier environment for their Dolphin
=20
> cartridges...the speed of game loading is the only advantage of
> the N64 N64 games look better because everything has been
> antialiased to bu***ry..the resolution of the N64 is very low.

yep
=20
> M> Only on games made for a 4MB N64...Zelda in 8MB looks lovely!!.

now what sort of sense is that? having to actually UPGRADE the basic
console to get a decent game out of it?
=20
> M> Cartridges are very hard to break/damage compared to CD/DVD...

i can stand on a CD without it being damaged...i can also drop it into a
bowl of water...or spill a beer on it.
=20
> M> They are both easily to emulate...Nintendo will tell you how to emulat=
e
> (well
> M> are more willing to that Sony!!). Nintendo know some people won't
> M> buy a N64 but will buy games...Sony don't like to lose their edge...if
> they can
> M> charge you =A399 they will...Sony were really pissed when the found ou=
t
> that the
> M> standard PXs could be chipped!!...they were even more pissed with Blee=
m
> M> they got it banded from E3 did'nt they!!

no console manufacturer want their machine to be emulated.=20
=20
> M> The N64 is alot faster and more powerful than the PSX...MIPs processor
> M> capable of around 125 MIPS....4MB standard upgradable to 8MB (the
> M> playstation only has 3MB...The N64 can have a CDR attached to the bott=
om
> (
> M> the playstation can have a serial linkup)...The N64 can do high res an=
d
> fast 3D
> M> stuff (I don't have spec for this though)

if it could have a CDR attached, Nintendo would be releasing such a
device . it'd probably be as successful as the MegaCD...people dont want
to upgrade their consoles...they'd rather see a nice complete unit. PSX
only needs the 3Mb given, it doesnt need an upgrade to reach its best
features..as for CPU speed, the MIPS processor needs that many MIPS as
it has a convoluted instruction set

> M> CDs suck....there only advange I can see is that they are cheap
> M> and have bigger cheap storage space!!...Cartridges are very expensive
> M> to produce!!...CDs scratch/crack tooo don't forget!!...N64 cartridges

you've just stated why CD's *dont* suck

> M> was to put sellotape over the edge connector and hope they did'nt look=
 (
> M> N64 cartridges are water proof!!)

sure, the insides are..but not the edge connector
=20
> M> Nintendo are great...I cannot wait for the Dolphin!!!...

fair enough, i'll not stop anyones buying decision..that'll be in 2001
though
=20
> M> is so much better!!!....Did I say I wanted a Dolphin?

yes....i dont know why though, especially as nintendo wont say that
it'll be more powerful as PSX-2 , which comes out in April next
year...and the Dolphin will come out the year after

alan

On 28 Nov 1999, Paul Cundle wrote:

> > - and if you're serious about your Amiga, you'll have a gfx
> > cards..
> 
> Ah, just what I like to see - well reasoned arguments :/

? you want to use your Amiga for gfx work...you need to run with at
least 256 colours...thats a bog standard level!..that would slow down
AGA to a crawl..your productivity suffers, likewise, doing DTP and
layout work, need high res and lots of video memory

 > To buy a gfx card you
basically either need > a) A PPC to plug it into if you've got an A1200
> b) and/or a nice tower
> c) A big-box Amiga capable of holding one in the first place
> d) Possibly a huge power supply
> e) A secret personal supplier of BVisions

lowest solution:

A1200 with ZIV card and CyberVision3D.

> It is /completely/ possible to be serious about your Amiga and still
> not have enough money for that kind of equipment.

adding a gfx card to the Amiga is like adding a HD to it. it makes such
a vast world of difference

alan

On 28 Nov 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> > according to AA, yes, it does work - but its slower than the ATAPI ZIP
> > drive (but that could be fixed by using something like PFS3 on it)
> 
> That was the IDE Orb tested. The SCSI unit had a faulty interface.

..did I mention ATAPI? yes.. didnt note his SCSI part though

alan

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 chris@shineyrow.co.uk wrote:

> www.digiguide.co.uk is running a poll to see what other platforms they
> should port their TV listings software too.  The Amiga is one
> contender. I've seen one other post on this topic which was inaccurate
> in suggesting that only those with Sky Digital would benefit.
> 
> The digiguide software is EXCELLENT, you dial up once a fortnight and
> download the listings for the channels you watch this takes about 3
> mins (I just pick BBC 1 & 2, Tyne Tees, C4 and C5).

it is excellent..it covers almost all channels you could receive at
home...and thats teerestrial, digital and satellite/cable
 
> The Amiga has only just been added to the polling list for possible
> future ports, so is way behind the other platforms.  I cannot stress
> how useful and unique this software is, it would be great to see it run
> on the Amiga as well, I hope you can take a few seconds to go to
> DigiGuide's home page and vote for the Amiga version.  

:-) bene there, done that already! :-)

alan

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 chris@shineyrow.co.uk wrote:

> www.digiguide.co.uk is running a poll to see what other platforms they
> should port their TV listings software too.  The Amiga is one
> contender. I've seen one other post on this topic which was inaccurate
> in suggesting that only those with Sky Digital would benefit.

Oh! one of their coders used to work for Digita too!

alan

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Andrew Hall wrote:

> I've been wondering during the past couple of weeks what my next
> upgrade should be. I don't want the cost/compatibility problems of an
> '060.I really want the horse-power of PPC, but at the price of the card

believe me, you'll have less compatability problems with an 060 than you
will with a PPC :-)

> plus the GFX card that you need to really take advantage of it, and the
> lack of applications that use PPC code I feel that it isn't worth it.
> If however, there was a decent 68K emulator that would do 680x0
> @100Mhz+ then I would consider. 

..you'd need the PPC that could do that first. its yet to be seen what
the Escena G3 cards can do int hat respect, first reports arent too good
(but they were from a competitor, so could be taken with pinch of salt)
 
> So my qusetion is, what emulators are in the pipeline? Are they
any > good? How compatible are they? Which chip(s) do they emulate? What
> speed do they run at? Will I be able to forget about using 680x0 chips
> altogether? How much will they cost? 

all sorts of stuff has been quoted. they should emulate an 030 with MMU
and FPU. with the PPC-only cards you'll HAVE to forget about the 680x0
;-) cost ? wait and see

alan

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Ken Walsh wrote:

> just done it but its only 1% the web based one is our BEST bet

most of us dont want a Web-based interface..that means we have to go
online to check the TV details...if we're online we may as well visit
the actual TV sites!

alan

On 28 Nov 1999, Mark wrote:

> I recently bought an '060 accelerator card and as I underestand it I need
> to install other software in order to make it run faster. I am not sure what
> other software I need and so would appreciate any suggestions.

make sure you have the correct 68060 and 68040 libraries installed. then
use either Oxypatcher or cyberpatcher (depends on which card you`ve got)
then you might want to search aminet for 040/060 patches for
utils/apps/datatypes/libraries etc

alan

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Alan Anthony wrote:

> Are you sure about that.

phone up FHM or SKY and ask about their full page colour ad rates.

> most of you need TV's/washing machines and other such stuff, but the with
> the price of an advert in AF or AA we could run a full page ad in a local
> newspaper, which would reach a much higher readership.

:-) well, that might be a better solution

alan

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Andrew Crowe wrote:

>    The case looks good to me, robust black design with a nice touch of electric-blue details, and having a vertical stand is a pretty good idea too.
> (Anyway, makes a change to those nasty tacky clear plastic cases that are going round nowerdays, I-Mac, new N64s etc... ;) 

the Dreamcast also has a clear plastic option!....even the PSX can have
a new case!.. bandwagon jumping? perhaps...i prefer black or silver
finishes for frontroom equipment...it matches the TV/Video and HiFi
then.

alan

PS I read that nintendo are to spend $150M in the US to convince
Americans that there is 2 years of life left in the N64

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Alex Furmanski wrote:

> You'll probably not (if you know me at all) be surprised to find I've been
> playing Quake again.  I've been going through it quite thoroughly and I've
> foind something that's bugging me.

:-) I've been going through Quake as well...with Warp3D and PPC...its
nice to see how good it looks with decent hardware running the
show...oh! but this isnt playing the game..this is QMAP a walkthrough
level viewer. very nice

> "The well of wishes awaits in the crypt of decay"
> 
> Now I've played the crypt of decay and it seems no different whatsoever.  So
> what's with the message?  Ben, you did the walkthrough...

dunno! but a friend here at work says this:

Theres a deep well towards the end of the level -> theres a bridge,
cross it, dont exit through the normal exit, turn left shoot panel, go
through, shoot switch...go back over bridge, jump to ledge on right,
then go down well. at bottom is a dope fish...message says 'dope fish
lives' a passage opens ot left when you are underwater..this will lead
to a secret level...

this is from his memory, but he claims (and i believe! ;-) ) that he's a
God at Quake...

alan

On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> You tell me how I can get a new machine with a gfx card and I'll start
> saving

zorro bus board with a CyberVision3D or a PIV. is that so hard a
solution?

alan

On 28 Nov 1999, Tim Seifert wrote:

> I can see at least one reason why putting a faster chip in might not
> work (it's a possibility, but not a remotely impossible one).  The rest
> of the board (components, and the track layout) was probably designed
> with a slower CPU in mind, and may not be usuable when used a faster
> rate.
> 
> This is just one of the reasons why overclocking works for some people
> and not for others.  It's not just the CPU, but everything that talks
> with it, must be able to carry data without corruption.

aye, that could happen...but this system is like the faster CPUs that
you can add to old 486/586 systems..and if it works for the Mac, and for
the A3640, then there shouldnt be any other problems

alan

patrice champarou <pmcham-@club-internet.fr> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=38383
> Hello,
> 
> Maybe somone up there might help me to understand this.
> 
> I got a mail from another list ( don't know if the author is
> a member, since there's no members list on the webpage )
> just saying :
> 
>  > stop a.u.b
> 
> Since I had no idea of what a.u.b could be,  I asked the guy 
> what  he meant. The answer was :
> 

a.u.b. is Dutch for please.

> > quiet every message from egroups have no time to read
> > them all, thank you for showing it 
> ( sic! )
> 

Uhh hmmm You've got me ! I doubt anyone will be able to translate this
:-)

> Could anyone more experienced explain this in normal English?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Patrice
> 
> -- 
> 'Am I in France?'
> ( William Shakespeare - King Lear, act 4, scene 7 )
> -- 
> 

On 28 Nov 1999, Phil Ellis wrote:

> I am serious, I've got a graphics card (see below) I've had both running
> together for 18 months without any major problems. If this is hell it's not all
> it's cracked up to be. :-)

and you're using OS3.0? That'll mean that you're not doing too many
alternative things on your machine...and that its using the gfx card
slower than it would otherwise

alan

Hi

On 19-Nov-99 09:49:21, Matthew J Fletcher (amimjf@hotmail.com) wrote:

> "thomas hurst" wrote:

>> PFS has recovery tools, and I'm yet to try to recover anything with
> SFS. As
>> far as I'm concerned, nothing on AmigaOS beats FFS in this area.

> DiskSlav is cool,.. but the PFS tools *dont work*, see review in AF131.

I really couldn't care less, sorry.

>> I've had SFS slow down so much it takes around 10 seconds for a disk
> update.
> Was true, not any more,..

SFS is sitll bad for fragmentation. It has been improved, but not much more
can be done without making changes to the filesystem structure...

>> Who could care less? AmigaOS is not a multiuser system.
> It is if you use MUFS, and most unix (gg) tools & mSQL expect it to be.

I have an (almost) complete GG install here, it works just fine without mufs
or anything of the sort. mSQL... so what? it's not exactly useful under
AmigaOS.

Anyway, it isn't possible to make AmigaOS into a viable multi-user system in
the Unix sense... it's totally wide open to the user. There are all sorts of
nasty things a user can do to kill the system outright.

>> Yes, I use SFS on a single, non-vital partition. I recently moved
> Thor over
>> to it, to get around FFS's shite seeking speed.
> Yes it cool, YAM has amazed me recently. (my partition is now called
> FLASH:)

I don't see the speed increase as amazing at all.. more like, what
I would expect.

Regards

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Hi

On 19-Nov-99 11:35:02, Alan L.M. Buxey (kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:

>> > have yo thought about PFS3 ?
>> 
>> Yes, I think it's a rip off for a filesystem, sorry :)

> :-)  I can agree in parts..and they are taking the pi*s with their name
> GREED devlopments :-|

No Amiga developers are greedy. What's there to be greedy about?

>> <quote>
>> Anyone here know how to get YAM to close when it's locked up due to
>> dodgy message?

> never had lockup - you cant close the read window when recieving mail -
> but you can read next message, previous message etc

In Thor I can download mail/news without loading Thor itself, but that's
beside the point; Yam locked up due to a dodgy mail there, not a standard
operation.

>> funny how yam's been saying "2670 of 3098 bytes" for over 5 minutes now

> mailserve problem

Yam problem for not timing out.

>> too bad killall -9 yam wont work, heh

> break works

break does not do anything even remotely like kill -9, and *never* will.

>> that mail crashed yam, heh

> what mail is that then? I receieve megabyte messages daily

So? The fact is Yam isn't 100% stable with malformed messages, and people
are still saying things like that on a regular basis, which is what I'm
talking about. For the record, I've been through, erm, let's see...

Total number of mails downloaded : 104514 over 1835 downloads (56.95 per download)
CPS:  Max: 8049   Min: 186   Avg: 2874
Sent a total of 1291 mails.

Total number of articles downloaded : 198444 over 1479 downloads (70.66 per download)
CPS:  Max: 8144   Min: 261   Avg: 3089
Sent a total of 202 articles.

Downloaded a total of 302958 messages.
Sent a total of 1493 messages.

Not a single one has crashed Thor.

>> Says it all, I think ;)

> no. uninformed text searching through an IRC log. search for anything on
> any IRC log and you'll see people moaning about it. even Thor ;-)

Yes... but I see a small handful of isolated probs being described (not
creating UIDL files, strange sortmail problem, err... that's it), not
general "argh, Thor crashed again!" type things.

>> Why? I get around 450 mails/day, if I felt they were all important I'd
>> never get anything done!  Besides which, AFB is pretty damn noisy.

> the noise is something that needs to be cleaned up, agreed
 
We need a BOFH :)

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On 19-Nov-99 16:19:49, Tim Seifert (tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au) wrote:

> To be honest, I'd prefer it if MUI apps looked exactly like all other
> system GUIs,

The default setup looks very like a standard Amiga GUI to me...

> so there was a consistency across the board.  And I
> dislike intensely having to fork out money for something against my
> will (i.e. programs that use MUI just for the sake of it).

MUI is infinately more advanced and flexible than GadTools ever will be. It
allows programmers to not worry too much about the size of elements, and
making sure bits don't overlap etc. It also has decent cut and paste
support, unlike GadTools or ClassAct... GadTools may be fine for some
things, but for others it's just too rigid and basic.

Consistency is overrated as far as I'm concerned. Fair enough having basic
things that work between apps, such as the file menu coming first and what
have you, but having applications that all look the same isn't exactly
important, or even desirable.

> Sure it has
> some nice features, but we all need graphics cards, and super duper
> CPUs to use MUI as comfortably as other GUIs.

The Amiga doesn't have "super duper" CPU's, it has ultra-slow ones, very
slow ones and dog slow ones...

As for GFX cards, well, I really can't see how anyone can live with the pure
EVIL that is AGA. I'd sooner dump my Amiga than use it without a GFX card.

Regards

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Hi

On 19-Nov-99 11:38:56, Alan L.M. Buxey (kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:

>> Nah, gcc forever ;P

> egcs?

Indeed :)

>> As for fewer hacks and improved stability, well..
>> 
>> 24.Workbench:> uptime
>> 23:41:20, 8:22, load: 0.20, 0.05, 0.00

> 8 hours? Uptime on my Amiga is measured in days ;-)

Yes, but I prefer to sleep than keep my Amiga on 24/7 ;)

3 fans, 2 hd's and no case...

Oh, and REAL MEN count their uptime in weeks if they leave their system on
24/7 ;)

>> 24.Workbench:> showpatches | grep -c " " in:
>> 114

> :-)

Don't pipes just rule? (he says, avoiding the subject) :)

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Hi

On 19-Nov-99 13:40:22, Tim Seifert (tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au) wrote:

>>> too bad killall -9 yam wont work, heh

> It's not a CLI process.

Erm, so?  it's still a task in the Exec tasklist. I'd be more worried about
the fact that you can't do that for ANY task on an Amiga.

>> break works

> You wouldn't care to elaborate on that please?  All too occasionally I
> have YAM going stupid making an infinitely huge file in the temp
> directory (when trying to reply to some message), that I can't get it
> to cleanly abort (just have to kill and reboot).

I really don't understand why anybody would put up with a mailer with such
stupid bugs, sorry.

>> no. uninformed text searching through an IRC log. search for anything
>> on any IRC log and you'll see people moaning about it. even Thor ;-)

> I could moan about Thor too.  More useful, and accurate, documentation
> would help,

How is the documentation not useful and accurate? It's certainly a hell of a
lot more detailed than the Yam documentation the last time I saw it. Ditto
for the huge number of example arexx scripts, and API developer materials
(does Yam have a developer accessable API?)

> it might help me find why it doesn't work properly.  Though
> I've just registered it, more because I've been using it for so long,
> and should pay for it, than I consider wanting to use it as a mailer
> though

Err, it MIGHT help (MIGHT), if you were to try posting something to the bug
database, or asking on the newsgroup or mailing list, or even just
mentioning what the problem was here. Just moaning "it doesn't work
properly" won't get anybody anywhere.

> Now that I've got a bit of cash, I'm playing catchup with a few things. 
> One of the things I'm wondering about though is, is MUI any better if
> registered (I don't care about fancy tarting up abilities, just is it
> any more useful or reliable)?

Being able to change fonts could be counted as useful. As for reliable... I
haven't had a MUI related crash this year.

Regards

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On 16-Nov-99 13:47:57, Ian Urie (ianurie@jwu.u-net.com) wrote:

> On 15-Nov-99 05:05:21, Thomas Hurst said about [afb] Re: BT to offer
> unmetered net access!:

>> I get 80 hours a month for 29.95, which is pretty good for my usage.

> Doesn't sound all that great....96 hours using C&W on Saturdays works
> out at 24x4 = 96 for 2 phone charge + your ISP.

Errr, duh, so you get, what, 18 hours (assuming you're awake and using it)
use on a single day?  Sorry, but that just doesn't compare in any way to
freetime80, which gives 80 hours free at ANY time off peak; 3:30 hours a
day, because I use BTi's 0800 on the weekends (4*48 (yes, all the time; I
use it for big downloads... I need all that time because they're slow as
fsck :/).

It also doesn't compare with ClaraNet's free weekend, which, for the price
of a standard dialup, gives you the entire weekend free.

> I'm sure everyone will have their own versions of saving on call
> costs... I have a mate on Claranet and he has sod all but bother.

Such as?

>> I have it on good authority that other interesting things are happening
>> in this area... erm... although this is hardly surpising :)

> This wouldn't be the BT announcement due for December ,would it?

I couldn't possibly comment... but I doubt I'll be changing the amount I pay
every month when it comes :)

>> I use BT for weekend dialup, even though they are excruciatingly
>> slow... the only time I've had decent download rates from them was when
>> someone smurfed me for 20 minutes :/

Last time I use ANet... for a start, I don't like using a network partially
ran by pirates...

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Hi

On 12-Nov-99 13:43:04, Richard Drummond (richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:

> It's not sold as revolutionary. It does improve the OS significantly,
> though. Many of the new features won't be apparent until software starts
> supporting them.

Like?

>>> I won't buy something just "to keep the
>>> Amiga alive". I don't think it will make a blind bit of difference in
>>> the long term anyway.

> A rather fatalistic view.  ;)

No, try a realistic view. I wouldn't expect an awful lot of the commercial
Amiga scene to be with us in a few months... I'm sure that after Hyperion
and the like have found they can't actually make the blind bit of profit, we
won't be getting much in the way of new projects. Even OS 3.5 hasn't made
half the required sales to even break even.

>> <sigh> If Haage and Partner don't sell 20,000 copies of 3.5, they wont
>> make 3.6, 3.7, 4.0 etc. etc. New and revolutionary features in the OS
>> simply wont *ever* appear if you dont support their efforts to upgrade
>> our OS for us. Do you see?

> IMO, one point that people haven't picked up on with regard to OS3.5 is
> that it makes the Amiga that much more attractive to potential new
> users. 

What exactly is there to attract "potential new users"? So they can use
unstable and badly supported/under-developed <insert choice of application
here>?

> You get a more modern-looking OS, with better printer support and
> Internet connectivity out of the box.

So you're saying it will attract more users with a few superficial
differences that make it look good, but which still has all the problems of
the old OS, and a few new ones. hmm, now, where have I seen that before...

> OK, so we don't have any new hardware at the moment. But a BoXeR or one
> of Power's new Z4-based boxes or whatver stands more chance of bringing
> new users to the platform with OS3.5 pre-installed rather than OS3.1.

Who in their right mind would pay out 800+ for a new Amiga?!

> I
> know that the thought of new Amiga-compatible machines and actually
> increasing the Amiga user-base are both rather optmistic dreams, but we
> do need both.

New machines, maybe, but expanding user base? I don't see how...

> OS3.5 offers a lot more than just the surface dressing. I think that
> Haage&Partner have done a damn fine job, especially considering the
> time-scale. If you consider yourself a faithful Amiga user,

Faithful to what? The "community"? The old, unstable, badly featured OS? The
old slow, unstable, expensive hardware?  The 4 applications that are still
being developed?.. :/

> you should
> go out and buy OS3.5 just to show your support, if nothing else. That's
> the only way we'll see further updates.

I think updating AmigaOS any further is just a wasted effort, sorry. Unless
H&P know voodoo, they can't possibly fix the things that matter.

Besides, that would just end up with even more bits of the OS done with
StormC ;P
 
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On 28 Nov 1999, Phil Ellis wrote:

> Just a question don't jump down my throat.
> When Amiga emulation reaches the level when an 060 can be emulated at full
> speed, will that be the end of the classic Amiga?

sort of...this will signify the start of the new Amigas...using PPC with
a legacy 0x0 emulation underneath. this sort of thing would be running
on the open-hardware PoP box

alan

On 20 Nov 1999, Thomas Hurst wrote:

> No Amiga developers are greedy. What's there to be greedy about?

40 ukp for a filesystem, then calling themselves Great Effects
Devepments (with the GREED letters highlighted). ...certainly has
delayed my order!

> In Thor I can download mail/news without loading Thor itself, but that's
> beside the point; Yam locked up due to a dodgy mail there, not a standard
> operation.

thats just using the mail/news importer...yes, you dont need to have the
main viewer running to just spool the stuff
 
> break does not do anything even remotely like kill -9, and *never* will.

I prefer not to use the hardcore tools such as XOper unless i really
need to
 
> So? The fact is Yam isn't 100% stable with malformed messages, and people
> are still saying things like that on a regular basis, which is what I'm
> talking about. For the record, I've been through, erm, let's see...

the fault of dodgy mailers...its the dodgy mailers that have to be
fixed.
 
> We need a BOFH :)

we've got worse than that.....evil Rich! ;-)

alan

On 20 Nov 1999, Thomas Hurst wrote:

> Oh, and REAL MEN count their uptime in weeks if they leave their system on
> 24/7 ;)

real men dont code or run euro demos and game demos then ;-)
 
> Don't pipes just rule? (he says, avoiding the subject) :)

copper ones or smokign ones? ;-)

alan

On 23 Nov 1999, Thomas Hurst wrote:

> The Amiga doesn't have "super duper" CPU's, it has ultra-slow ones, very
> slow ones and dog slow ones...

my Amiga has a PowerPC CPU that I wouldnt rate as any of those options..
 
> As for GFX cards, well, I really can't see how anyone can live with the pure
> EVIL that is AGA. I'd sooner dump my Amiga than use it without a GFX card.

sshhhhh! dont mention the gfx cards, or we'll both be castigated and
expelled from the village! 8-)

alan

On 23 Nov 1999, Thomas Hurst wrote:

> Who in their right mind would pay out =A3800+ for a new Amiga?!

if the specs were good, current Amiga users...however, I'd expect
non-Amigans (and esepcially those with a standard PC) to want high specs
and a pricetag of around the 400/500 ukp mark

alan

On Sun, Nov 28, 1999 at 12:57:45PM -0000, Michael wrote:

> Are we still talking about the PSX2?...its just that didn't Sony say that
> the PSX2 would
> be running a modifyed Linux kernal?

No, they said the development system would run under Linux.

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Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

>> In Thor I can download mail/news without loading Thor itself, but that's
>> beside the point; Yam locked up due to a dodgy mail there, not a standard
>> operation.

> thats just using the mail/news importer...yes, you dont need to have the
> main viewer running to just spool the stuff

You don't even need that. You can load and access the library via ARexx,
making it child's play to run all mail and news transfers in the
background, including posting from other software. Not only web
browsers, it takes a one line addition to a Superbase DML script to have
the output sent out as an email.


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Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

> On 28 Nov 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

>> > according to AA, yes, it does work - but its slower than the ATAPI ZIP
>> > drive (but that could be fixed by using something like PFS3 on it)
>> 
>> That was the IDE Orb tested. The SCSI unit had a faulty interface.

> ..did I mention ATAPI? yes.. didnt note his SCSI part though

You were saying the SCSI Orb is slower than the ATAPI ZIP, whereas it's
the IDE Orb that was slower. The SCSI one ought to be faster, in fact
the IDE one should be faster when attached to a decent IDE interface.


Neil
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> On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:
>=20
> > Sega and Nintendo have yet to do. I very very much doubt anyone
> > would be using analogue pads with their consoles now if Nintendo
> > hadn't have paved the way. We'd all be using D-pads, and PC owners
>=20
> the analogue PSX controller was made before the N64. Its only now =
that
> it comes with the actual console as part of a bundle...after all, why
> ship a more pricey controller (and up the pack charge) when only a
> hdanful of games used the feature?

Case in point: The N64 was launched with 4 games, all of which used the
analogue controller to full effect (Mario64, Waverace, Turok and
PilotWings).

The PSX was launched with a DIGITAL PAD, and games didn't support the
analogue pad seriously (whether it was available or not) until dual
shock support became 'the rage'. A feature which Nintendo managed to
do first.
=20
I don't care whether the Playstation is more popular. I'm arguing
technical merit.

> > That's what they tell you. What really happened is that Nintendo =
just
> > charge extortionate fees to manufacture carts. The N64 is piss easy
> > to program for, VERY much more so than the Playstation, it=20
> > just costs
>=20
> if the N64 was 'piss easy' to program , there'd be a lot more=20
> 3rd party developers. Ask some of them why they dont develop...and
> why Nintendo are working hard to provide an easier environment for
> their Dolphin

Easier environment as in "you don't have to buy =A3250,000 worth of
Silicon Graphics tools to develop for our machine".

If you do your research, the reason the N64 is unpopular with =
developers
is NOT the lack of an easy programming environment, but the COST of any
environment they may get, and the fact that Nintendo have an unerring
habit of charging people out of business (and/or into the Playstation)
for the manufacture of cartridges.

The N64 is in fact easier to program for. It's display-list oriented
chip design fits in very well with current 3D methodologies like =
OpenGL,
it's processor is in fact using the same instruction set as the PSX
so it's not a case of a crappy obscure CPU (ahem, points to Sega's use
of the Hitachi SH-x line)

> > M> Only on games made for a 4MB N64...Zelda in 8MB looks lovely!!.
>=20
> now what sort of sense is that? having to actually UPGRADE the basic
> console to get a decent game out of it?

The PSX wasn't bundled with a dual shock analogue controller to start
with. Why should I have to buy a =A320 controller (or =A380 worth if =
I'm
to play multiplayer) just to get a decent game out of it?

Now what sort of sense is that?
 =20
> > M> Cartridges are very hard to break/damage compared to CD/DVD...
>=20
> i can stand on a CD without it being damaged...i can also=20
> drop it into a bowl of water...or spill a beer on it.

Scratch the front of your CD with a penknife :)

> > > playstation only has 3MB...The N64 can have a CDR=20
> > > attached to the bottom
>=20
> if it could have a CDR attached, Nintendo would be releasing such a
> device=20

They did a few weeks ago, the 64DD. Only in Japan, though, as it's
linked to the internet much like the Dreamcast. Sony's big idea about
downloading games off the net onto a special Zip drive plugin got
done by Nintendo YEARS ago with the SNES Sattelaview, and has just
gotten a belated update for the N64.

It's a bit crap (that's what the 4Mb expansion was originally for,
BTW) but it shows how innovative Nintendo are.

> only needs the 3Mb given, it doesnt need an upgrade to reach its best
> features..

But it does require you to learn how the console works, as it's
nigh on impossible to program for the PSX and get decent hi-res games
without resorting to one hell of a lot of assembler code. Something
which most developer don't want to do..

> as for CPU speed, the MIPS processor needs that many MIPS as
> it has a convoluted instruction set

?  You mean the same convoluted instruction set as the PSX uses on
IT'S slow covoluted R3000 MIPS chip?

> > > Nintendo are great...I cannot wait for the Dolphin!!!...
>=20
> fair enough, i'll not stop anyones buying decision..that'll be in =
2001
> though

Oh? Who told you that? They say Christmas 2000, on a worldwide
simultaneous launch (part of the deal with Matsushita)

> > M> is so much better!!!....Did I say I wanted a Dolphin?
>=20
> yes....i dont know why though, especially as nintendo wont say that
> it'll be more powerful as PSX-2 , which comes out in April next
> year...and the Dolphin will come out the year after

"It'll be more powerful than anything our friends at Sony have to
offer" - Howard Lincoln, President NOA.

As for a year after? 6 months more like. Maybe with the pitiful
launch batch of 2 or 3 games rather than Sony's 10 or 20, but
will that really make a difference when 9 or 19 of those Sony
games will be stuff you'd have already on your PSX?

This isn't very Amiga-ey is it? :)

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > so there was a consistency across the board.  And I
> > dislike intensely having to fork out money for something against my
> > will (i.e. programs that use MUI just for the sake of it).
> 
> MUI is infinately more advanced and flexible than GadTools ever will
> be.

Right, I'll stop you there because it's not nice to compare MUI to
Gadtools, they being totally different ways of doing things.

> It allows programmers to not worry too much about the size of 
> elements, and making sure bits don't overlap etc. It also has decent
> cut and paste support, unlike GadTools or ClassAct...

ClassAct has cut and paste support, but it's limited to cuttint the
ENTIRE string gadget rather than just a selected part. This is a
limitation of ClassAct's string.gadget more than ClassAct itself
(which is not really a GUI system in it's own right anyway, it's
just BOOPSI with knobs on) and I'll point out that MUI's cut and
paste support is fairly limited until you apply certain patches
and replacement gadgets..

> As for GFX cards, well, I really can't see how anyone can 
> live with the pure EVIL that is AGA.

I can :)

> I'd sooner dump my Amiga than use it  without a GFX card.

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Ive just been checking all my Url links to make sure they all still
work, and while at Titan Computings page saw what look to be a very
prommising PPC game, Claws Of The Devil. It looks almost Zeldaish in
look.


Min Specs are as follows:

Amiga PowerPC 603e/604 160/150Mhz
32MB of Ram, 6x speed CD-drive
CyberVisionPPC/BVision or equal (Permedia's 3D-option coding is in
progress...


http://www.titancomputer.de/

Bifford the Youngest
http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com

_Replying to a message_:

   By:  Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>
  Via:  Tim Seifert <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  23-Nov-99 19:30:24
About:  [afb] Re: Oh dear... something's broke

Hi Thomas,

> I really don't understand why anybody would put up with a mailer with such
> stupid bugs, sorry.

Hmm, I think Thor has more than enough of it's own stupid bugs.  I
prefer the way YAM works by far.  And I'm using both of them.  It's a
*lot* more user friendly.

>>> no. uninformed text searching through an IRC log. search for anything
>>> on any IRC log and you'll see people moaning about it. even Thor ;-)

>> I could moan about Thor too.  More useful, and accurate, documentation
>> would help,

> How is the documentation not useful and accurate? It's certainly a hell of a
> lot more detailed than the Yam documentation the last time I saw it. Ditto
> for the huge number of example arexx scripts, and API developer materials
> (does Yam have a developer accessable API?)

The docs that come with Thor are terribly out of date, they proclaim 2.0
compatibility, when it isn't; they don't explain various essential
features at all; many of the docs are not much more than a feature list,
without useful explanation; the list goes on and on...

Thor is a nightmare too use, it requires very complex ARexx scripts just
to do some basic features which should actually have been built into the
mailer itself.

>> it might help me find why it doesn't work properly.  Though
>> I've just registered it, more because I've been using it for so long,
>> and should pay for it, than I consider wanting to use it as a mailer
>> though

> Err, it MIGHT help (MIGHT), if you were to try posting something to the bug
> database, or asking on the newsgroup or mailing list, or even just
> mentioning what the problem was here. Just moaning "it doesn't work
> properly" won't get anybody anywhere.

And how do you know I haven't?  Just because I've not posted to a Thor
mailing list, or Newsgroup, doesn't mean I've not contacted the authors.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

   By:  Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>
  Via:  Tim Seifert <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  23-Nov-99 19:21:08
About:  [afb] Re: YAM YAM YAM and Registering MUI

Hi Thomas,

>> To be honest, I'd prefer it if MUI apps looked exactly like all other
>> system GUIs,

> The default setup looks very like a standard Amiga GUI to me...

More of less, but not enough.

>> so there was a consistency across the board.  And I
>> dislike intensely having to fork out money for something against my
>> will (i.e. programs that use MUI just for the sake of it).

> ...[snip MUI advert]...

> Consistency is overrated as far as I'm concerned. Fair enough having basic
> things that work between apps, such as the file menu coming first and what
> have you, but having applications that all look the same isn't exactly
> important, or even desirable.

No, more like I'd like all dialogue displays and okay buttons on
requesters, to be the same system-wide, etc.  And always having the same
shortcut keys etc.

>> Sure it has some nice features, but we all need graphics cards, and
>> super duper CPUs to use MUI as comfortably as other GUIs.

> The Amiga doesn't have "super duper" CPU's, it has ultra-slow ones, very
> slow ones and dog slow ones...

Which is why a dead slow GUI system, on many applications, that don't
really need to use it either, is a bad thing.

> As for GFX cards, well, I really can't see how anyone can live with the pure
> EVIL that is AGA. I'd sooner dump my Amiga than use it without a GFX card.

Some of us would never have afforded buying a computer if it weren't for
ye olde A500e, and the A1200.  Putting graphics cards into them is a bit
too much trial and horror.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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   By:  Alan L.M. Buxey <kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk>
  Via:  Michael <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  29-Nov-99 19:33:39
About:  [afb] Re: 100MHz 68040!

Hi Alan,

>> I can see at least one reason why putting a faster chip in might not
>> work (it's a possibility, but not a remotely impossible one).  The rest
>> of the board (components, and the track layout) was probably designed
>> with a slower CPU in mind, and may not be usuable when used a faster
>> rate.
>> 
>> This is just one of the reasons why overclocking works for some people
>> and not for others.  It's not just the CPU, but everything that talks
>> with it, must be able to carry data without corruption.

> aye, that could happen...but this system is like the faster CPUs that
> you can add to old 486/586 systems..and if it works for the Mac, and for
> the A3640, then there shouldnt be any other problems

Nope, that's no guarentee at all.  Just because another computer can
take a faster CPU, doesn't mean yours can.  Everything has to be able to
work at a faster rate, the connected chips, *and* the PCB (printed
circuit board) tracks in between.

The PCB tracks are a major (an usually forgotten) factor in these sorts
of things.  You're really taking pot luck with these adventures.  And
don't think manufacturers build in lee-way to accomodate you, they
don't, they build things to minimum specifications.

Sometimes you can be lucky, sometimes you can be very unlucky (some just
won't even go a few percent faster than designed for).

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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> Er, well, yes, but, I didn't say anything about the <Return>, as how
> else would you get anything after the sig seperator if you didn't
> press <return>? As far as other text after it, well, that's just plain
> obvious.... </Sealey>

LOL!

Cruel, but funny nonetheless ;)

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Hello Tim Seifert, on 28-Nov-99 14:44:46 you said about:
  [afb] Re: siggy 

[snip]

>>> Actually, it needs to be "dash dash space", not just "dash dash" to work
>>> properly...

>Nearly, but not quite...  It has to be dash dash space <return>, if you
>had anything else after the dash dash space (like more text), it doesn't
>work.

Er, well, yes, but, I didn't say anything about the <Return>, as how
else would you get anything after the sig seperator if you didn't press
<return>? As far as other text after it, well, that's just plain
obvious.... </Sealey>

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Hello Matthew O'Neill, on 28-Nov-99 12:27:42 you said about:
  [afb] gfx cards 

>On 28-Nov-99, Paul Cundle wrote:

>>> - and if you're serious about your Amiga, you'll have a gfx
>>> cards..

>Ok, I'll buy myself a ppc card a a nice fast bvision...oops wait, no you
>can't buy them for love nor money. Ok then I'll get a P4 and a big 400 to
>put it in....oh, no wait, you can't get a 4000 either.

Eh? What are you on about now? There's plenty of A4ks around - they're
not as plentiful as A1200, but certainly not /that/ difficult to get
hold of....

>You tell me how I can get a new machine with a gfx card and I'll start
>saving

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Hello Michael, on 28-Nov-99 07:09:46 you said about:
  [afb] Shorting the sig! 

>Hello all,

>I think it was on this list that someone complained that my sig was too big
>and needed to have -- put in....Can someone check and alter my sig if
>wrong, please....thanks in advance

No, yer still missing a space after the two `dashes'....

>Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
>Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

>Machines used:
>A1200T (Channel Z, Rev 1D) with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB
>Chip, 16MB Fast)
>A500 (Rock Lobster, Rev 5) with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast),
>kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext floppys, Z2
>CD32 (Spellbound, Rev 3) with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
>Dead standard A1200 (Channel Z, Rev 1B), '030 50MHz
>--

Do you really need all of that in your sig? I say as the recommended
maximum for a signature is four lines at around 72 characters per line.
Why not just put the details of the machine you use the most in your sig
and put the rest on your web site?

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Does anyone have any news on what's happened to Active? I order NC3 two
months ago, and still haven't received it. Active have stopped
advertising and just have a recorded message on the phone line, while
Chris Wiles has disappeared from the Vapor mailing lists.

Are they still in business, or should I give up hope of receiving NC3?

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> Does anyone have any news on what's happened to Active? I 
> order NC3 two months ago, and still haven't received it. Active
> have stopped advertising and just have a recorded message on the
> phone line, while Chris Wiles has disappeared from the Vapor
> mailing lists.
> 
> Are they still in business, or should I give up hope of receiving NC3?

Maybe he's on holiday? People *do* take holidays you know.

I for one am getting sick of this "not heard from them in a week or
so, so they MUST have gone bankrupt" vibe. Have you tried asking this
question on a Vapor mailing list? Have you mailed Chris personally to
check on your order?

Or has the phone line and a glance at some lists been your only
attempt? Come on, SERIOUSLY..

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Hi Matt,

> > Does anyone have any news on what's happened to Active? I 
> > order NC3 two months ago, and still haven't received it. Active
> > have stopped advertising and just have a recorded message on the
> > phone line, while Chris Wiles has disappeared from the Vapor
> > mailing lists.
> > 
> > Are they still in business, or should I give up hope of receiving
NC3?
> 
> Maybe he's on holiday? People *do* take holidays you know.
> 
Nope, they're moving site and its disrupting things for a while

> I for one am getting sick of this "not heard from them in a week or
> so, so they MUST have gone bankrupt" vibe. Have you tried asking this
> question on a Vapor mailing list? Have you mailed Chris personally to
> check on your order?

Im getting tired of it too, as is Chris.  Im on the mailing list and
there are people there who still havnt got their copy.  However - DO
NOT email Chris or Vapor asking about it as they are (understandably)
getting a little annoyed. It will turn up. (Personally, I received mine
a week after it came out)

> 
> Or has the phone line and a glance at some lists been your only
> attempt? Come on, SERIOUSLY..
> 
Bifford the Youngest.
http://www.biffordyoungest.u-net.com

On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:52:11 -0000, Sealey, M. wibbled...

> I for one am getting sick of this "not heard from them in a week or
> so, so they MUST have gone bankrupt" vibe. 

Make that "not heard from them for a month or so", and you'll be closer
to the mark, Sealy.

> Have you tried asking this
> question on a Vapor mailing list? 

Yes.

> Have you mailed Chris personally to
> check on your order?

Several times.

> Or has the phone line and a glance at some lists been your only
> attempt? Come on, SERIOUSLY..

Well, short of going up to Edinburgh, I can't think of any other way of
finding out what is going on.

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> On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:52:11 -0000, Sealey, M. wibbled...
> 
> > I for one am getting sick of this "not heard from them in a week or
> > so, so they MUST have gone bankrupt" vibe. 
> 
> Make that "not heard from them for a month or so", and you'll 
> be closer to the mark, Sealy.

Right, if you REALLY want to be insulting you MIGHT want to spell my
name right, Daneel Throntan.

> > Have you tried asking this question on a Vapor mailing list? 
> 
> Yes.

And they said..?

> > Have you mailed Chris personally to check on your order?
> 
> Several times.

And he said..?

> > Or has the phone line and a glance at some lists been your only
> > attempt? Come on, SERIOUSLY..
> 
> Well, short of going up to Edinburgh, I can't think of any 
> other way of finding out what is going on.

Then I guess you'll have to sit down, and sit patiently until it
arrives. 

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On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:00:56 -0000, Sealey, M. wibbled...

> Then I guess you'll have to sit down, and sit patiently until it
> arrives. 

There's only so much time that you can wait patiently; (almost) two
months after the software has been released, I'm starting to get
impatient.

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Hello,

I downloaded a music mod off the aminet it is in .IT format, anyone know
of a mod player that will play it?

Thanks in advance
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<tsb>
<tsb> #  // Power By Amiga #
<tsb> #\X/   A1200 030/50  #
<tsb>

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us as equals.
-- Winston Churchill

Hello all afb "e-groupians",
                            As probably none of you have noticed, I
haven't posted here in bloomin ages, consequently I can't seem to guage
what Amiga is doing right now!

Amiga's, and other spin off, websites don't appear to be talking much,
and the last amiga format (or amiga "toilet-roll" as someone I know
calls it, due to it's pages being of a "bog roll-like" quality, he also
says the magazine content is generally s**t, contributing further
reason to his "amiga toilet roll" taunt, but what would he know?!) told
me little regarding Amiga's activities.

Tell me am I a blind fool or is there just nothing going on, or at
least something going on just we're not being told about it.

By the way before anyone talks about os3.5, can I just say, when I ask
what is going on I mean in the larger sense of the sentence ie what are
they doing to take over, or at least revolutionise, the world (since
the mcc died!), surely the companies fate doesnt rely solely on os3.5?!

May I just finish on a sorry note, please, please, please, will someone
tell me why the most incompetent, "flashy", ill-designed, highly
publicised, badly engineered, "any old crap", cobbled together
solutions, not only work, but sell in there millions in the computing
based industry and in fact most other industries?

Take the car market, Ford do there best to make affordable cheap, cars
that do the job they were designed for, relatively reliably but are
still built to a price (you know little about cars and their
engineering if you disagree), they then advertise these cars until
their wipers fall off, with all flash and "up-to-dateness", spending
millions in the process, and I have no qualms with this idea, but lets
face it, a Ford isn't as good as say, a Mercedes.

(By the way this is relatively hypothetical so don't yawn all non-car
lovers!)

Mercedes build well engineered (if you excuse the rear wheel drive)
cars, that do the job and more, tacking subtle informative advertising
onto their image without forcefullness or patronising.

What is my point? Well currently in computing, most solutions are
exactly the same as my Ford example, let me explain: 
Microsoft make software that works occasionally, and does the job,
whilst also advertising the software and "furthering their brand image"
like there was no tommorow, but again, lets face it: They're not too
good at what they do!

BUT!

Where are the Mercedes dealers of software? They're usually the little
company, struggling for contracts, but making good software, so why do
we still flock to Microsoft? 
1) Their everywhere
2) Everyone supports their products
3) Everyone has heard of them and is at least mildly knowledgeable of
their products, therefore the assumption is made that they are "THE
BEST!"

So, I'll ask my original question again (because you've probably
forgotten it by now), why do people buy the lowest quality stuff when
there are other solutions? 

The answer is certainly not a price issue, otherwise why would people
buy Microsoft?

Perhaps the general ignorance of the average consumer now continues
this sorry state, however, remember they are only ignorant of what
Microsoft et al don't want them to know (ie their coding abilities is
p**s poor).

Oooh, I just don't know! Sorry everyone if I seemed a little inconcise
in my arguement but this point of view is made up from many years of
seeing people follow the leader (sheep fashion) in concern to what they
buy and even how they live!

Perhaps this should of been on the "Off the topic bulletin list?"

Anyway thanks for reading everyone, I'm away to further ponder the
intricasies of society, as well as spelling and grammar! ;)

Andrew